Posted on 06/23/2016 2:04:08 PM PDT by ColdOne
The battle flag is not the official Confederate flag known as “the Stars and Bars” or “the Bonnie Blue Flag”.
Later the battle flag was incorporated in it but not at the start of the Civil War.
People still confuse the STARS AND BARS with the Battle Flag.
There are several other Confederate Battle Flags that do not cause a Pavlovian foaming at the mouth from Liberals.
Nice try but it isn’t the flag that they’re serving under. And it SURE AS HELL isn’t the one those Marines are raising on Iwo Jima now is it ?Were you born stupid or do you work at it?
The North didn’t go to war to free the slaves. It went to war to preserve the Union and won. The South went to war to preserve slavery and lost everything.
**And it SURE AS HELL isn’t the one those Marines are raising on Iwo Jima now is it ?**
Okinawa.
Joe Rosenthals iconic photo was taken on Mt Surabachi on the island of Iwo Jima. My late father-in-law served with the Fourth Marine Division and damn near lost his life on that stinking island. He was serving under the Stars And Stripes.
**It went to war to preserve the Union and won.**
True, but the Union though it would be over in 90 days. Turned into a four year long slugfest. New York rebelled against the Union draft, Lots of Copperheads also wanted peace at any price.
Meanwhile in the SOUTH, men who had no slaves were being drafted to go to war.
Quite a war for “firsts”.
First Ironclad, CSS Manassas.
Then came the CSS Virginia
USS Cumberland sunk. USS Congress burned.
First Submarine CSS Hunley
First Union ship sunk by a torpedo, USS Housatonic.
First UNION ship, USS Cairo, sunk by a Southern electric mine.
Confederate Raider CSS Alabama cleared the ocean of Union whaling fleet before being sunk.
Many of the Indian tribes from Canada to Mexico went to war against the Union, hoping to get a better deal from the South. Two Confederate agents were caught among the Southern Cheyenne at Sand Creek.
Last Confederate General to surrender, Stand Watie, Cherokee Confederate army.
And I’m still po’d we gave it back. The cost was too high to give it up.
First war to use electronic communication, the telegraph. First war to be photographed. First war to use aircraft, hot air balloons for observation. There were firsts for the South. The undeniable fact is they lost the war. The lost the war the moment they decided to go to war.
***Yeah, poor dumb Southerners who went to war for slave owning paltroons. ***
At least they went and served when drafted, Meanwhile In New York the citizens took up arms in the anti-draft riots to keep from going to fight Southerners.
So the Northern Army had to start using the immigrants from Ireland and Europe to take up the slack.
***...slave owning paltroons. ****
Those “slave owning Poltroons” received an honorable surrender as seen by this correspondence between LEE and Grant. The Confederate officers were still held in high esteem in the North.
Meanwhile TWENTY UNIONIST ABOLITIONISTS each forked over $5000 in gold coin to pay for the bond of Jefferson Davis as they felt he could not get a “fair” trial. Horace Greeley and Cornelius Vanderbilt being the first two to give.
I’ll hoist the dixie flag any damn time I please
Many, who would lay blame for the great American war at the feet of the people of the South, invoke the logic that there would not have been war without slavery. They make the case that slavery was at the root of the argument between North and South. Slavery, it is said, was the obvious difference between the two sections; slavery aroused conflicting passions, principles and interests. The cause is variously presented as a moral issue, a political issue, an economic issue, a racial issue, an ideological issue and a highly emotional issue.
Concerning the moral issue, in practical terms, the slavery controversy was conducted, not on the basis of facts and realities, but in terms of symbols, slogans, images, and all the trappings of irresponsible and ill-informed propaganda. The North viewed the entire South through the eyes of Harriet Beecher Stowe, John Brown, Ward Beecher, and Frederick Douglas.
It cannot be said that North and South were divided on racial prejudice. Even though the Republicans protested over the Dred Scott verdict, blacks were still actively prejudiced against in the North. Indeed, it is reported that one of the reasons why Republicans supported abolition was the belief that “even the free Negroes in the north would return to the southern states, their natural habitat within the United States”.
Final proof of Northern hypocrisy on the morality of slavery was offered by the discrimination against the Negro which was practiced, both officially and unofficially, legally, publicly and privately, throughout the northern states.
The Northern abolitionists who did want to eradicate it were a small, distrusted and atypical minority in the north, who manifested radical attempts to incite racial violence.
Well, sometimes the guts have to step up when the mind has rationalized enough.
And this “it is reported” is pretty lame. We need citations and evaluation of degree of applicability.
One thing that we do know, is that the party we know today as Democrat was the majority of slavery support. And you know you cannot morally equate “I don’t like my Negro neighbor and wish he’d move” to “I think my Negro neighbor ought to be a slave.”
Certainly. A good source for both: W.E.B. Dubois, "Of Mr. Booker T. Washington and Others" , from The Souls of Black Folk. (1903)
Here, go read the Library of Congress.
As I pointed out, that would be pretty moot anyhow. Being disgusted at your neighbor doesn’t add up to moral rational to wishing him a slave.
Do you have the verbiage of the US law that prevented foreign ships from carrying cargo between US ports in 1861?
The North went to war to protect the Rice bowls of New England robber barons. An Independent South threaten New England financially, and a lot of very wealthy and powerful people would have been put out of business.
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