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Falling birth rates could spell end of the West - [Rabbi] Lord Sacks
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 6 June 2016 | John Bingham

Posted on 06/07/2016 1:51:10 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o

Western civilisation is on the brink of a collapse like that of ancient Rome because the modern generation does not want the responsibility of bringing up children, the former Chief Rabbi Lord Sacks has warned.

... ultimately, he said, European society as we know it “will die” because of the demographic crisis.

And mass immigration is not a solution because of problems integrating new arrivals into existing society.

"Europe is going to die because of this because Europe can only maintain its population by unprecedented levels of immigration" - Lord Sacks

This makes him one of only a handful of public figures in recent memory to raise the alarm about declining fertility rates as a serious social problem.

He also warned that Britain is losing its national “memory” and cultural identity

He explained: “People forget how Britain won its freedom -Civil war -- and the extraordinary thinking done by John Milton, Thomas Hobbes, John Locke.

“Freedom doesn’t just happen.

“You have the classic example of this, the Arab Spring, 2011. Now people start Googling and using Facebook, tyrants are toppled and you think, that’s it you press a button and Google will do the rest.

“Yes, tyrants were deposed but what succeeded them was not freedom but anarchy.

“And indeed terrible anarchy of a kind that we know basically from Hobbes after the wars of religion of Europe when he spoke about the state of nature as being the war of every man against every man in which life is ‘solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short’.

“[That] is a precise description of life in Syria or Iraq or Afghanistan or Somalia or Libya today. People think freedom is like the default setting on your phone.

“Freedom is not a default setting anywhere, freedom has to be fought for.”

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: birthrate; contraception; deathofthewest; families; feminism; fetility; future; lawyers; parenspatriae; rome
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The British thought they could build a British future without future British.

Don't laugh, we did the same. Almost all of our U.S. population growth for the past 40 years has been from immigrants and the first and second generation descendants of immigrants.

The potential born-American children of born-Americans have been wiped out by contraception, sterilization, abortion and buggery.

Back in 1968 Pope Paul VI said contraception could destroy souls, marriages, families, nations, and civilizations. People haven't had any idea what he was talking about: until now.

But it's still true that those who procreate, own the future.

As they say, Inshallah.

1 posted on 06/07/2016 1:51:11 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Mrs. Don-o

We don’t have enough money for kids because the government takes it from us and gives it to the newly-arrived ones with the 4 always-pregnant wives, our replacements.


2 posted on 06/07/2016 2:04:05 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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It should be noted...mothers kill to the tune of 1.25 children per second. That’s only the reported killings. This ain’t contraception...this is outright murder.


3 posted on 06/07/2016 2:07:54 PM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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And mass immigration is not a solution because of problems integrating new arrivals into existing society.

Even if immigrants are "well integrated," they are not the original population. Cultural patterns in both private and social life persist for many generations, even when people are very good citizens of their new country of residence.

A European geographic entity with a population of hardworking, law-abiding Koreans would be ... something quite different from what it once was.

4 posted on 06/07/2016 2:08:03 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("The world is a dangerous place whose inhabitation always ends in death."~Theodore Dalrymple)
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We don’t have enough money for kids because ...

we choose to spend our money in other ways.

5 posted on 06/07/2016 2:08:43 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("The world is a dangerous place whose inhabitation always ends in death."~Theodore Dalrymple)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

http://www.demographicwinter.com/


6 posted on 06/07/2016 2:09:54 PM PDT by spirited irish
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To: Mrs. Don-o

The “me” generation never went away.


7 posted on 06/07/2016 2:15:39 PM PDT by theoilpainter
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Falling birth rates?

Try skyrocketing immigration rates.

8 posted on 06/07/2016 2:17:01 PM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (We cannot allow Hillary Clinton to become the next Angela Merkel)
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If your ancestors are like mine --- my parents, grandparent and great-grandparents --- they had kids aplenty while having significantly less money than we did.

My great-grandparents had families of 10 and 11 kids. They were factory workers in the 1870's and 1880's. Believe me, they were paupers compared to us today, and yet they made sure their kids were well-rooted in Faith and Family, were hard workers and trained for jobs in the skilled trades.

My grandparents had families of 5 and 6 kids. They were skilled tradesmen, toolmakers, and had industrial jobs. All their kids worked even in high school, helped support their brothers and sisters, and stayed in school as long as they could despite the Great Depression.

My parents had 2 kids. My husband's parents had 4. Good solid people, aith-family-education-employment, same values.

My husband and I got married late, and had 2 (one home-grown and one adopted) though we'd wanted more. My brother, Univesity educated, highly-paid job n management-level engineering, and his college-educated, working wife, had no kids.

A lot of rich people have One-Child-Special, or none.

A trend. Make of it what you will.

9 posted on 06/07/2016 2:18:24 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("God bless the child that's got his own." -- Billie Holiday)
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I cringe at this kind of prognostication of doom and gloom without giving credit the the eugenics tribe. Failure to feed, falling nukes or one super bug could spell an end to the problem as well. The only reason these populations swell in “advanced society”, is that 7th century breeding is meeting modern medicine and the survival rate for offspring is unsustainable. Hillary’s favorite role model, Margaret Sanger, wrote extensively on the upside of abortion, sterilization, and elimination the “unfit” as well. I seem to recall some National Socialist Party that did some pretty imaginative things along those lines.

Perhaps that sealing the border isn’t a cruel or bad idea after all. I really do appreciate the line: “The potential born-American children of born-Americans have been wiped out by contraception, sterilization, abortion and buggery.” It sounds like a campaign slogan to end white privileged.


10 posted on 06/07/2016 2:21:06 PM PDT by Steamburg (Other people's money is the only language a politician respects; starve the bastards)
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At every Catholic wedding (age appropriate, of course) the man and woman promise to be fruitful and bring those children up as Catholics.

Why don’t people get the message?


11 posted on 06/07/2016 2:22:25 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Follow God’s rules and he will provide.

Think of the widow where Elijah stayed. Her oil and flour did not run out because she did God’s will (spoken through Elijah.)


12 posted on 06/07/2016 2:23:45 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Her oil and flour did not run out because she did God’s will (spoken through Elijah.)

I wonder why they didn't get scurvy, though. Maybe the Bible skipped over the part where they gathered wild greens.

13 posted on 06/07/2016 2:25:15 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("The world is a dangerous place whose inhabitation always ends in death."~Theodore Dalrymple)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

The Amish, and I mean the real Amish population, doubles in a short period of time.


14 posted on 06/07/2016 2:25:17 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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We don’t have enough money for kids because the government takes it from us and gives it to the newly-arrived ones with the 4 always-pregnant wives, our replacements.

...

That’s the way the government wants it because those people will vote for big government and they don’t care about corruption.


15 posted on 06/07/2016 2:26:49 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: Tax-chick

Got me.


16 posted on 06/07/2016 2:27:03 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Just something that crossed my mind when we were reading it this morning.


17 posted on 06/07/2016 2:27:42 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("The world is a dangerous place whose inhabitation always ends in death."~Theodore Dalrymple)
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All of those sins are secondary to a colder and colder society. They become easier to excuse in the face of such a society. Ah what’s the use of straining towards a holistic view of sex, if babies only exist to punish us? If the arrows in the quiver are but play toys, here today and meaning nothing tomorrow?


18 posted on 06/07/2016 2:28:46 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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I don't know about the rest of you, but my public schools (starting in 6th grade) drummed into us that using birth control and not having children was essential if there was going to be enough air to breath, water to drink, land to farm. Remember the “Population Bomb” (Ehrlich) and “Future Shock” (Toffler)? Half of the people I knew from school didn't marry, don't have children, and think they are the intelligent ones. Maybe if they stop indoctrinating white kids around the world with that crap, there would be more white kids in the future...
19 posted on 06/07/2016 2:30:16 PM PDT by Kay Ludlow (Government actions ALWAYS have unintended consequences...)
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To: Salvation

Maybe partly because this is unrealistic; not every child will believe — or will believe as a youth — and “being” a “Christian of any sort” without belief is hypocrisy.


20 posted on 06/07/2016 2:30:54 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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