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Townhall.com ^ | May 11, 2016 | Terry Jeffrey

Posted on 05/11/2016 9:04:22 AM PDT by Kaslin

What if a state department of motor vehicles or a public school insisted that only biological females could use the restroom set aside for females and that biological males had to use the restroom set aside for males?

Would that be a rational policy? Would it be just?

The U.S. Justice Department is now arguing in federal court that such a policy wrongfully discriminates against people whose "gender identity" does not "align" with their biological sex.

The department filed suit on Monday against the State of North Carolina.

At issue is the law North Carolina enacted this year that states: "Public agencies shall require every multiple occupancy bathroom or changing facility to be designated for and only used by persons based on their biological sex."

The law says: "A multiple occupancy bathroom or changing facility may include, but is not limited to, a restroom, locker room, changing room, or shower room."

It defines "biological sex" as the "physical condition of being male or female, which is stated on a person's birth certificate."

In its legal complaint against North Carolina, the Justice Department contested the state's definition of a person's sex and offered an alternative definition.

"An individual's 'sex' consists of multiple factors, which may not always be in alignment," the department said in the complaint.

The complaint then cited various biological factors that might help determine a person's sex, but it capped the list with "gender identity, which is an individual's internal sense of being male or female."

"For individuals who have aspects of their sex that are not in alignment, the person's gender identity is the primary factor in terms of establishing that person's sex," the Justice Department told the court.

Therefore, according to the Justice Department's logic, a person who is biologically male but claims a female "gender identity" must be treated as a female by state governments and schools that receive federal funding.

And that means, according to the Justice Department's logic, that state agencies and schools must allow a person who is biologically male, but who claims a female "gender identity," to use the female facilities.

What about the rights of persons who are biologically female, who identify as female, and who do not want to use the same facilities as biological males?

They do not factor into the Justice Department's argument.

Ultimately, this argument is not only about what is and is not true, but what government may and may not do.

This nation was founded on the correct belief -- even if it did not always live up to it -- that all men are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights and that the basic purpose of government is to protect those rights. The United States justified its independence with an appeal to the Laws of Nature and Nature's God.

But now, progressively, our nation is being ripped loose from its mooring in natural law.

Forty-three years ago, seven members of the Supreme Court declared a "right" to kill an unborn child. Since then, tens of millions of babies have been aborted.

A year ago, five members of the Supreme Court declared a "right" for two people of the same sex to marry. Were there such a right, which there is not, it would mean children do not have a right to a mother -- or a father.

Currently, an eight-member Supreme Court is weighing whether the government can force Christians to act against their faith and cooperate in the distribution of abortifacient drugs that take innocent lives. Thus, could the freedom of conscience be curtailed in the pursuit of further diminishing the right to life.

If the case the Justice Department filed in North Carolina this week makes it to the Supreme Court, the underlying question before the court may be, as it is in the Justice Department's complaint: What is a man and what is a woman?

The laws of nature and nature's God answered that question a long time ago. But President Obama's Justice Department has a different opinion.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: culturewars; homosexualagenda; lawsuit; unisex
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To: xzins

“XX”

“XY”

“And some corruptions of those considered illness.”

The reality is that there are many women who have an XY sex chromosome. Just because you want to pretend this reality does not exist does not mean you can go around denying the actual existence of a wide variety of sexes in human biology, and there is far less excuse to go around pretending there are far more such variations in the number of sexes in the rest of the Animal Kingdom and the Plant Kingdom which are relatively normal and not to be considered to be an illness. Variations in sexual characteristics in a species and in the individual members of a species is quite common in biology, agriculture, and horticulture.


41 posted on 05/11/2016 11:08:10 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX

Illness. Like having 6 fingers.


42 posted on 05/11/2016 11:13:10 AM PDT by xzins ( Free Republic Gives YOU a voice heard around the globe. Support the Freepathon!)
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To: WhiskeyX

“we have observed a variety of variations in the sexes and sexual behavior of those organisms. If a person had to judge from your comments, it appears you are willfully remaining ignorant in defiance of reality. You are simply acting out in boorish ignorance and stupidity.”

nope. I’m telling the truth. How many stallions have you seen stand still while taking it up the ass? How many mares have you seen licking each others genitals while ignoring a stallion? Hmmm?

That is not a “social convention”. It is how mammals behave.


43 posted on 05/11/2016 11:15:31 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (We're a nation of infants, ruled by their emotion)
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To: xzins

“Illness. Like having 6 fingers.”

All you are doing is to dig yourself into a deeper and deeper hole with that kind of dishonesty. There are perfectly reasonable, legitimate, moral, and religious reasons for keeping sexual criminals out of private spaces reserved for certain genders. Basing your arguments on claims and definitions contrary to reality and contrary to actual biology is only going to defeat your purpose in protecting and defending the innocent from sexual criminals.

Now, with respect to your claim that anything you don’t like for reasons of religion or otherwise must be an illness, rather than a natural variation in sexual characteristics, you should be reminded that all Humans are a product of just such an illness. The eukaryotes in the center of each of our cells was originally a parasite tha fed upon the cells, but over time these parasites became a symbiotic lifeform that became a vital component for every Eukaryotic lifeform on the planet. Without this “illness” you would not exist. Now you can either set out on a fruitless mission to pretend and characterize every variation in sexual characteristics as an illness despite the impossibility of successfully doing so, or you can live in the real world and accomplish the task of protecting and defending innocent people from sexual predators using the social conventions for determining genders.


44 posted on 05/11/2016 11:28:40 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX; Mr Rogers
sounds like somebody needs another drink to cap off that rambling paragraph...

while there are certainly many variant/mutations, in 48 yrs ive never seen but two types of plumbing on a human being...and its painfully obvious that this bathroom controversy is nothing more than the perv lobby riding the coattails of the queer agenda...

pretty simple, if its hanging meat, it uses the mens room...

if i have to check under the hood to be sure, and it goes and does its business and leaves, no problem...BUT, any perv that is getting jollies will be dealt with as being a lethal threat to wife or daughter, because it is...

45 posted on 05/11/2016 11:38:25 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: WhiskeyX; xzins

We are not being dishonest. You are. With the exception of relatively rare abnormalities, there are 2 sexes. I’ve owned a lot of male dogs, but never seen a male dog penetrate another male dog. Have you? When my mare was in heat, it was a STALLION she wanted, not another mare.


46 posted on 05/11/2016 11:38:25 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (We're a nation of infants, ruled by their emotion)
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To: Gilbo_3

I’m at a point of thinking we ought to have forms asking “Penis or Vagina” instead of M/F.


47 posted on 05/11/2016 11:39:35 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (We're a nation of infants, ruled by their emotion)
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To: Kaslin
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48 posted on 05/11/2016 11:52:05 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (This entire "administration" has been a series of Reischstag Fires. We know how that turned out!)
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To: pepsi_junkie

Uh, alimony and custody are decided without considering gender. Alimony is awarded based on the earning potential of each spouse and custody according to what the parties can show is in the best interest of the child.


49 posted on 05/11/2016 11:53:16 AM PDT by socalgop
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To: Kaslin

I tried to buy a $40K car yesterday with two $20.00 bills, telling the dealer they totaled $40k.
Guess what?


50 posted on 05/11/2016 11:57:48 AM PDT by GOYAKLA ( Pick-up the pace, I'm eighty!)
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To: Kaslin

This comes from unlearning your Bible. Forms ask are you male or female? Neither, ANIMALS are either male or female. God CREATED man, then woman. So now you have allowed yourself to be classified as an animal unaware. Read about the food God created to be compatible with man, it has SEEDS. Anything tampering with God’s creation is evil and letting yourselves question the word of God has given easy, non resistance to evil coming in and altering the entire fabric of nature. Very good, very impressive, it didn’t interfere with your leisure time, a corrupt entity could take over the responsibility of thinking on your behalf. Now you have more time to plan for vacations and watch TV (that which is not born of a woman). Laziness is not only a sin, it is your undoing, your doom !!!!


51 posted on 05/11/2016 11:58:40 AM PDT by chit*chat
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To: WhiskeyX

Sorry, but it is a dysfunction. No dishonesty at all. What is dishonest is calling it a separate sex


52 posted on 05/11/2016 11:59:39 AM PDT by xzins ( Free Republic Gives YOU a voice heard around the globe. Support the Freepathon!)
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To: WhiskeyX

well, bye.


53 posted on 05/11/2016 12:19:24 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!)
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To: Kaslin

Why not? Our government is currently at war with reality on a number of levels. What’s one more?

The lunatics have taken over the asylum.


54 posted on 05/11/2016 12:27:23 PM PDT by yuleeyahoo (There's no limit to the amount of good you can do if you don't care who gets the credit - R. Reagan)
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To: NEMDF

Such a sad world.
So many special moments lost to political correctness. It reminds me of the novels where to question politically orthodox positions was to be eliminated; where twins or children with nightmares after age 2 were executed because they were outside the norm.

We are being forced to violate our deeply held beliefs or suffer the full force and power of the Government, in this Country which was founded to allow Freedom of Worship and Individual Freedoms.


55 posted on 05/11/2016 12:29:36 PM PDT by JayGalt
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To: Dick Bachert

Nice one : )


56 posted on 05/11/2016 12:35:42 PM PDT by JayGalt
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To: Kaslin

Fort Worth ISD has decided that the terms “boy” and “girl” have to go. Now teachers are only allowed to use “student” or “scholar.”

We are definitely living in the twilight zone.


57 posted on 05/11/2016 12:58:49 PM PDT by tuffydoodle ("Never underestimate the total depravity of the average human being.")
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58 posted on 05/11/2016 1:06:09 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (If you can't graciously honor JimRob's wishes, then kindly stay the hell out of his house.)
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To: Gilbo_3

“its painfully obvious that this bathroom controversy is nothing more than the perv lobby riding the coattails of the queer agenda...”

NAILED it


59 posted on 05/11/2016 1:12:16 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) since Nov 2014 (GOPe is that easy to read))
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Adonis P Zotinski rides the rail : )


60 posted on 05/11/2016 1:13:21 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) since Nov 2014 (GOPe is that easy to read))
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