Posted on 05/06/2016 9:34:25 AM PDT by sally234
There are few things I dislike more than paying taxes. As Americans, a third of all your hard earned dollars is confiscated by the U.S. government. Most of us get to determine what we do with our money but not when it comes to taxes.
However, there is the argument that taxes are a function of our democratic system. Those taxes are the result of laws implemented by freely elected representatives. If anything, we the voters are as much to blame for the muddied tax codes as are the nitwit politicians we elect.
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Half of our working age people aren’t working and helping to pay taxes and we are having to pay to support them.... But aren’t those imports cheap.
Voters to blame? Savers to blame for bank robberies. Guns responsibility for killing people.
If you want to know why it doesn’t feel like we’re in a recovery this is the reason why. The GDP may be up but only because the government is spending more of your money. You can’t pay the mortgage or feed your kids with the “benefit” that you receive from the government building a new bridge or paying a bureaucrat to shuffle papers.
See the blue lines: http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data
Excessive regulations cause most of the problems now, and new ones are spreading very quickly through local governments across the country (especially see third post).
http://www.city-data.com/forum/colorado/2574849-bought-property-3.html
More kinds of productive work are made illegal each year, and private property rights are violated more every year. NIMBY friends of socialism should realize that they are their own enemy, before the debt regime default process soon cuts and stops their pensions. Austerity measures are coming, and the establishment will get its just due.
It’s the same over here in the UK. The government claims the basic rate of income tax is 20% but when I try to explain to people that it’s really 95% they think I’m crazy.
But in the UK, if one considers the last £ or $ that you just earned: before you see it your employer has already paid “Employer’s National Insurance” (up to 13.8%); then you pay “Employee’s National Insurance” (up to 12%); then you pay “Income Tax” (basic rate 20%); but then in order to get to work the first thing you have to do is to put gas/petrol into your vehicle with “Fuel Duty” (currently approx 55%) and on top of that “Value Added Tax” (20% on vehicle fuel); and of course the fuel company has already paid a dozen different taxes on it, from a Petroleum Exploration and Development Licence onwards. So it is that the last £ or $ that you just worked for has actually only bought you about 5 pennies worth of fuel.
We are all becoming slaves to the state.
Confiscating your money — and turning you into their slaves — you said it precisely correctly. Those are indeed the goals, and the one begets the other b
So correct, and an aside the proverbial “THEY” are attempting to initiate the V.A.T. here in the U.S. as well.
And when you can’t afford insurance. You get taxed for that!
But not all taxes feel Constitutional, and not all taxes are the result of our representative government particularly the taxes paid in the form of regulatory costs.<<<<<
First he says voters are to blame, but then admits that some taxes have nothing to do with voters “Americas regulatory state is overseen by an authoritarian administrative state, ruled by [bold]unelected bureaucrats.[/bold]”
, a third of all your hard earned dollars is confiscated by the U.S. government."
FR: Never Accept the Premise of Your Opponents Argument
Patriots need to get a grip on the idea that much of the federal taxes that we pay are unconstitutional imo.
More specifically, previous generations of state sovereignty-respcting justices had clariifed not only that Congress is prohibited from appropriating taxes in the name of state power issues, essentially any issue that Congress cannot justify under its constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited powers, but also consider the following.
Regardless what FDRs state sovereignty-ignoring activist justices wanted everybody to think about the scope of Congresss Commerce Clause powers (1.8.3), state sovereignty-respecting justices had also clarified that the states have never delegated to the feds, expressly via the Constitution, the specific power to regulate INTRAstate commerce, taxation being the basic form of regulation.
Here are the relevant excerpts from Supreme Court case opinions to subsantiate the points above.
State inspection laws, health laws, and laws for regulating the internal commerce of a State, and those which respect turnpike roads, ferries, &c. are not within the power granted to Congress [emphases added]. Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
Regarding the Supreme Courts clarification of Congresss limited power to appropriate taxes, FReepers might also want to consider the annual federal budget as the Founding States had probably intended for the budget to be understood.
From a related thread
Once again, its time for "Federal Government Annual Budget 101, the constitutionally limited power federal government's annual budget as the Founding States had likely intended for the budget to be understood.
Note that a previous generation of state sovereignty-respecting justices had clarified that Congress is prohibited from appropriating taxes in the name of state power issues, essentially any issue that Congress cannot justify under its constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited powers. This is evidenced by the excerpt below.
"Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States. Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
In fact, based on the Courts statement above, here is a rough estimate of how much taxpayers should be paying Congress annually to perform its Section 8-limited power duties.
Given that the plurality of clauses in Section 8 deal with defense, and given that the Department of Defense budget for 2015 was $500+ billion, I will generously round up the $500+ billion figure to $1 trillion (but probably much less) as the annual price tag of the federal government to the taxpayers.
In other words, the corrupt media, including Obama guard dog Fx Noise, should not be reporting multi-trillion dollar annual federal budgets without mentioning the Supreme Courts clarification of Congresss limited power to appropriate taxes in budget discussions.
Remember in November !
When patriots elect Trump they also need to elect a new, state sovereignty-respecting Congress that will work within its Section 8-limited powers to support the new president, including putting a stop to unconstitutional federal taxes.
Also consider that such a Congress would probably be willing to fire state sovereignty-ignoring activist justices.
>However, there is the argument that taxes are a function of our democratic system.
Fallacy 1: Republic
>>Those taxes are the result of laws implemented by freely elected representatives
Fallacy 2: **Constitutional** Laws. IE: Good = for all of We the People (Common good). Bad = welfare (legalized theft), not obtainable by *all* of We the People
But not all taxes feel Constitutional, and not all taxes are the result of our representative government particularly the taxes paid in the form of regulatory costs.<<<<<
First he says voters are to blame, but then admits that some taxes have nothing to do with voters “Americas regulatory state is overseen by an authoritarian administrative state, ruled by [bold]unelected bureaucrats.[/bold]”
Agreed. Thanks for posting.
and they you get penalized if you don't get enough taken out on a regular basis...
the only solution of course is to get off the tax grid by not working....have no income that can be taxed....
IF the GDP is also based on the prices of goods & services we all use, then Obamacare & the new demands for a higher minimum wage are part of the problem.
In a town nearby, there is a restaurant I hve gone to for years when I have reason to do errands there.
In the past 6 months, the menu prices are up $2 across the board-—Obamacare & Minimum wage.
The food is great & large portions——but Obamacare is costing restaurants & other small businesses a fortune.
IF the GDP is also based on the prices of goods & services we all use, then Obamacare & the new demands for a higher minimum wage are part of the problem.
In a town nearby, there is a restaurant I have gone to for years when I have reason to do errands there.
In the past 6 months, the menu prices are up $2 across the board-—Obamacare & Minimum wage.
The food is great & large portions——but Obamacare is costing restaurants & other small businesses a fortune.
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