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1 posted on 05/06/2016 9:34:25 AM PDT by sally234
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Half of our working age people aren’t working and helping to pay taxes and we are having to pay to support them.... But aren’t those imports cheap.


2 posted on 05/06/2016 9:43:13 AM PDT by DannyTN
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Voters to blame? Savers to blame for bank robberies. Guns responsibility for killing people.


3 posted on 05/06/2016 9:50:23 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup (GOPe/MSM - "When we want your opinion, we will give it to you)
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If you want to know why it doesn’t feel like we’re in a recovery this is the reason why. The GDP may be up but only because the government is spending more of your money. You can’t pay the mortgage or feed your kids with the “benefit” that you receive from the government building a new bridge or paying a bureaucrat to shuffle papers.


4 posted on 05/06/2016 9:54:19 AM PDT by Brilliant
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Excessive regulations cause most of the problems now, and new ones are spreading very quickly through local governments across the country (especially see third post).

http://www.city-data.com/forum/colorado/2574849-bought-property-3.html

More kinds of productive work are made illegal each year, and private property rights are violated more every year. NIMBY friends of socialism should realize that they are their own enemy, before the debt regime default process soon cuts and stops their pensions. Austerity measures are coming, and the establishment will get its just due.


6 posted on 05/06/2016 10:11:27 AM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." --Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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It’s the same over here in the UK. The government claims the basic rate of income tax is 20% but when I try to explain to people that it’s really 95% they think I’m crazy.

But in the UK, if one considers the last £ or $ that you just earned: before you see it your employer has already paid “Employer’s National Insurance” (up to 13.8%); then you pay “Employee’s National Insurance” (up to 12%); then you pay “Income Tax” (basic rate 20%); but then in order to get to work the first thing you have to do is to put gas/petrol into your vehicle with “Fuel Duty” (currently approx 55%) and on top of that “Value Added Tax” (20% on vehicle fuel); and of course the fuel company has already paid a dozen different taxes on it, from a “Petroleum Exploration and Development Licence” onwards. So it is that the last £ or $ that you just worked for has actually only bought you about 5 pennies worth of fuel.

We are all becoming slaves to the state.


7 posted on 05/06/2016 10:24:36 AM PDT by Mr Radical
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But not all taxes feel Constitutional, and not all taxes are the result of our representative government — particularly the taxes paid in the form of regulatory costs.<<<<<

First he says voters are to blame, but then admits that some taxes have nothing to do with voters “America’s regulatory state is overseen by an authoritarian administrative state, ruled by [bold]unelected bureaucrats.[/bold]”


11 posted on 05/06/2016 11:18:50 AM PDT by PrairieLady2 (Choose Cruz...and looze.)
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Thank you for referencing that article sally234. Please bear in mind that the following critique is directed at the article and not at you.

”… , a third of all your hard earned dollars is confiscated by the U.S. government."

FR: Never Accept the Premise of Your Opponent’s Argument

Patriots need to get a grip on the idea that much of the federal taxes that we pay are unconstitutional imo.

More specifically, previous generations of state sovereignty-respcting justices had clariifed not only that Congress is prohibited from appropriating taxes in the name of state power issues, essentially any issue that Congress cannot justify under its constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited powers, but also consider the following.

Regardless what FDR’s state sovereignty-ignoring activist justices wanted everybody to think about the scope of Congress’s Commerce Clause powers (1.8.3), state sovereignty-respecting justices had also clarified that the states have never delegated to the feds, expressly via the Constitution, the specific power to regulate INTRAstate commerce, taxation being the basic form of regulation.

Here are the relevant excerpts from Supreme Court case opinions to subsantiate the points above.

Regarding the Supreme Court’s clarification of Congress’s limited power to appropriate taxes, FReepers might also want to consider the annual federal budget as the Founding States had probably intended for the budget to be understood.

From a related thread …

Once again, it’s time for "Federal Government Annual Budget 101,” the constitutionally limited power federal government's annual budget as the Founding States had likely intended for the budget to be understood.

Note that a previous generation of state sovereignty-respecting justices had clarified that Congress is prohibited from appropriating taxes in the name of state power issues, essentially any issue that Congress cannot justify under its constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited powers. This is evidenced by the excerpt below.

"Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States.” —Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.

In fact, based on the Court’s statement above, here is a rough estimate of how much taxpayers should be paying Congress annually to perform its Section 8-limited power duties.

Given that the plurality of clauses in Section 8 deal with defense, and given that the Department of Defense budget for 2015 was $500+ billion, I will generously round up the $500+ billion figure to $1 trillion (but probably much less) as the annual price tag of the federal government to the taxpayers.

In other words, the corrupt media, including Obama guard dog Fx Noise, should not be reporting multi-trillion dollar annual federal budgets without mentioning the Supreme Court’s clarification of Congress’s limited power to appropriate taxes in budget discussions.

Remember in November !

When patriots elect Trump they also need to elect a new, state sovereignty-respecting Congress that will work within its Section 8-limited powers to support the new president, including putting a stop to unconstitutional federal taxes.

Also consider that such a Congress would probably be willing to fire state sovereignty-ignoring activist justices.

12 posted on 05/06/2016 11:26:19 AM PDT by Amendment10
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>However, there is the argument that taxes are a function of our democratic system.

Fallacy 1: Republic

>>Those taxes are the result of laws implemented by freely elected representatives

Fallacy 2: **Constitutional** Laws. IE: Good = for all of We the People (Common good). Bad = welfare (legalized theft), not obtainable by *all* of We the People


13 posted on 05/06/2016 11:27:02 AM PDT by i_robot73 ("A man chooses. A slave obeys." - Andrew Ryan)
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But not all taxes feel Constitutional, and not all taxes are the result of our representative government — particularly the taxes paid in the form of regulatory costs.<<<<<

First he says voters are to blame, but then admits that some taxes have nothing to do with voters “America’s regulatory state is overseen by an authoritarian administrative state, ruled by [bold]unelected bureaucrats.[/bold]”


14 posted on 05/06/2016 11:44:29 AM PDT by PrairieLady2 (Choose Cruz...and looze.)
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