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Report: 'Significant portion' of NFL thinks Patriots didn't deflate footballs
CSN ^ | April 26, 2016 | Phil Perry

Posted on 04/26/2016 12:14:32 PM PDT by detective

More than a year after the Deflategate saga began, one report says that there are teams across the league who have now changed their tune and believe the Patriots did nothing wrong.

According to Mike Freeman of Bleacher Report, executives, coaches and players that he spoke to believe that the NFL got its investigation wrong and that the Patriots never cheated. That opinion represents a complete 180-degree turn for some of the same folks who, according to Freeman, high-fived inside team facilities when they first heard about the Deflategate punishment.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: deflategate; tombrady
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To: pepsi_junkie

That second frequency story is pure bunk. And doesn’t even makes sense. From snap to throw for an average NFL QB is 2.4 seconds, they throw the ball BEFORE the player is open to where they WILL BE open when the ball gets there. There’s no time in there for somebody to radio down and then have the QB react to it. 100% lies, of the pathetic and retarded kind.


41 posted on 04/26/2016 1:30:06 PM PDT by discostu (Joan Crawford has risen from the grave)
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To: Zenjitsuman
There's a silver lining to this absurdity. Folks in Patriots Country think this was politically motivated, because Belichek and Brady support Trump. CT and RI vote today. All of RI and half of CT are in Patriot Country.

Wouldn't it be weird if this got Trump the few extra delegates he needs to reach the magic number?

42 posted on 04/26/2016 1:34:23 PM PDT by grania
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To: discostu

This second frequency nonsense started with a guy named Dan LeBetard who claimed he heard it third-hand....no first-hand proof. Nothing.


43 posted on 04/26/2016 1:37:34 PM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: detective
A quarterback wants the footballs to be consistent. He would not want them quickly and haphazardly deflated in a bathroom for a few seconds each.

This, of course, assumes that his "deflator" agent didn't spend 8-9 seconds deflating every practice ball for practice. If he could spend a little time consistently doing that before every practice, what exactly would be inconsistent when it came to games?

The pressure of the footballs had absolutely no impact on the outcome of the game. The Patriots beat the Colts easily and outscored them more in the second half.

In the 2nd half, the Pats scored once on a short-drive TD set up by an interception; on that drive, Brady threw no passes.

Take away that defensive-set-up TD, the Pat offense scored on 3-of-5 drives in the 2nd half; in the first half, the Pat offense scored on 3-of-5 drives (so the same in terms of scoring drives)

Secondly, take away a 30-yard Brady pass to Vereen in the first half (if Vereen wasn't able to hold on to such a softened ball in pelting rain), and the Pats wouldn't have scored that drive.

No score that drive, puts the Pats up 10-7 at half instead of 17-7.

It was only when the Colts were down 17-7 that they essentially abandoned their ground game, which, up until then, was gaining 5 yards a pop.

In a pelting rain, the ground gain is essential.

'Twas the two-score lead that moved the Colts out of the ground game...dangerous to do in such weather.

Would the Colts still have lost? Perhaps. Would the game have been closer minus the softened balls? Probably.

Anybody who knows anything about football and/or is capable of understanding the Ideal Gas Law knows the charges against Tom Brady are fraudulent.

Deflategate report’s science holds up - http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/2015/05/06/physics-professor-deflategate-report-science-holds/T2HqI3vFVivr9grXOD2VEI/story.html Yes...deflategate report correct on its science; Pats on the other hand grasping for straws:

A Freeper last year was citing the "Ideal Gas Law" angle last year...yet...

...University professor Martin Schmaltz....the discrepancies between drops in pressure between the Colts balls and the Patriots balls was likely too much to be chance, according to Schmaltz. “I see that the Colts’ balls pressure dropped about half a PSI and the Patriots balls seem to be more like 1.5, or maybe between one and 1.5,” says Schmaltz. “So it’s a little mysterious why the Patriots’ balls dropped more.”

(Well, not so "mysterious" when you have an equipment mgr who actually...truly...nicknamed himself "the deflator")

Continuing that link excerpt: According to the report, the Patriots’ balls began the game inflated to at least 12.5 PSI, while the Colts’ balls were around 13 PSI, give or take a tenth of a PSI. But it’s not the drop in PSI from that reference point that Schmaltz says looks bad for the Patriots, but the drops relative to each other. According to Schmaltz, the ideal gas law equation suggests a drop in temperature from 68 or 70 would produce a drop of less than 1 PSI in a ball inflated to 12.5 or 13 PSI. While the report found the Colts’ balls measured at or around the league-minimum 12.5 PSI at halftime, many of the Patriots balls were a PSI or more below that threshold, a drop so large its unlikely to have been caused by atmospheric conditions. While a 12.5 PSI ball could drop to 11.6 PSI, by his calculations, with a temperature drop from 68 or 70 degrees to 51, given both sets being subject to the same conditions, it’s suspicious the Patriots’ balls would drop so much further.

And here we had all these FREEPERcheaterapologists in January & February of last year providing defenses for cheating by citing "science"...yet never could address why the 51-degree weather failed to similarly impact the Colts' footballs...

I think these FREEPERs would make good cheater apologists explaining why it tends to be dead DEMOCRATS who vote...or why it's living DEMOCRATS who seem to vote early & vote often...

44 posted on 04/26/2016 2:21:03 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Let's Roll; detective; All
ho handles the ball(s) more than the Center and the QB? And yet none of the officials ever brought this up in the previous decades? Please.

Officials know it's not their jobs to blab to the media...And one indeed spoke out after-the-fact:

NFL Official Was Suspicious Of New England Patriots Team Employee Jim McNally For Years Prior To Deflategate (REPORT)

NFL ex-official Mark Baltz: "For an officials' locker room attendant, I always thought he was an unusual dude,'' Baltz said, via Kravitz. "Most locker room guys, they sit there and if you need something, they got it for you. When you left the locker room, you'd lock the door and they'd stay right there. The other 31 teams, that's what they would do. That was his job.
"But McNally, he was running all around like a chicken with his head cut off. Asking for the balls early. What I specifically reported him for several years ago, and I thought this was really unusual, he'd run out on the field with the footballs before the game and the next thing you know, he's playing pitch-and-catch with (Tom) Brady. Then, next thing, he's on the sidelines right next to (Bill) Belichick, like he's a (bleeping) assistant coach or something."

Baltz reffed 4 games @ Pats stadium when McNally was employed & Brady was healthy.

45 posted on 04/26/2016 2:30:53 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: FatherofFive
The Patriots won the second half, when the balls were properly inflated.

Read my response to this argument, post #44.

46 posted on 04/26/2016 2:31:59 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Sans-Culotte

Think they brought it up during the game.


47 posted on 04/26/2016 2:33:11 PM PDT by John W (Under One Year And Counting!)
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To: detective

I read the report when it first came out and could see it was an attempted railroading. The NFL didn’t have any sort of consistent way to measure the footballs that was fair and accurate. They only measured a few of the Colts balls and found one that was below the legal limit.


48 posted on 04/26/2016 2:34:23 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: discostu
The frequency to the helmet kicks off with 15 seconds on the play clock. That's an eternity to have a D-coordinator provide pre-snap adjustment info to the QB on formations and likely coverages from his perspective way up above the field. There's a reason coaches can't talk to the player the whole time. It's an unfair advantage.

If you don't believe the story, feel free. Coaches from another team and a player from the Patriots both said it at the time. Goodell destroyed the evidence so he created a situation where nobody will ever really know. I think if you destroy the evidence, it must be damning so I believe the worst. If you love the Pats you think they were railroaded and they just destroyed the evidence because .... well, whatever. They were railroaded. And you go shine your rings.

Over a beer we could have a fine debate about it!

49 posted on 04/26/2016 2:40:21 PM PDT by pepsi_junkie (ui)
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To: pepsi_junkie

The QB is making their own adjustments during those 15 second.

The story is a lie. There are ZERO corroboration, you are perpetuating a lie.

I don’t debate with people that perpetuate retarded conspiracy theories that any 6 year old can see are dumb.


50 posted on 04/26/2016 2:43:50 PM PDT by discostu (Joan Crawford has risen from the grave)
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To: discostu

Your a big smart man who knows that coaches are no value because QBs on the field are so much smarter and better positioned to make adjustments. Plus Flutie lied because you say so and so did the Steelers. But hey, I’m just a dumb retard who didn’t realize this was personal. But since you set me straight, piss off jerk.


51 posted on 04/26/2016 2:55:44 PM PDT by pepsi_junkie (ui)
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To: pepsi_junkie

I’m medium sized, paid well to point out when somebody is full of crap, and telling you for free that you’re wrong. And there’s no actual record of Flutie or ANYBODY saying anything about this second radio. It’s all 3rd hand crap where somebody says somebody told him that Flutie or the Steelers or somebody else said...

It’s not personal. It’s just facts. You have none. And logic. Also seriously lacking. And just a simple understanding of the game that shows chatter in the QB’s ear would be counter productive at best.


52 posted on 04/26/2016 2:59:37 PM PDT by discostu (Joan Crawford has risen from the grave)
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To: discostu

I told you to piss off. Your a smart guy who gets paid to instruct others in their stupidity so I’d have thought you could follow that.


53 posted on 04/26/2016 3:08:59 PM PDT by pepsi_junkie (ui)
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To: Colofornian
They both played with the same balls.

The Patriots - who I hate - won the game with soft balls or hard balls. This is a non-issue.

54 posted on 04/26/2016 3:10:29 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: pepsi_junkie

If you’re going to insist laughable completely unsubstantiated conspiracy theories are true you’re gonna get laughed at. Don’t blame me.


55 posted on 04/26/2016 3:11:24 PM PDT by discostu (Joan Crawford has risen from the grave)
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To: Colofornian
The Patriot footballs were measured right after they came in from outside. They were still cold. Only 4 of the Colt footballs were measured after they had been inside for 30 minutes or more and had warmed up.

There were two separate gauges with different results.

There is a margin of error in the measurements.

The results were within the range that would be expected based on the Ideal Gas Laws. There was no deflating of footballs.

56 posted on 04/26/2016 3:11:49 PM PDT by detective
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To: FatherofFive
They both played with the same balls.

Only for special teams' plays.

Otherwise, each time supplies balls for their own offenses.

In fact, guess who it was in 2006 that was lobbying the NFL so that the offenses could indeed supply their own footballs? (Yup, Tom Brady...and another little-known Q named Peyton)

So teams have been supplying their own offensive footballs since 2007...exactly coinciding when the Pats' fumble ratio suddenly - year-in, year-out - began going off the charts! (Some of those years, the Pat defense fumbled more than the Pat RB!)

Brady's completion % suddenly spiked upward starting in '07!

57 posted on 04/26/2016 3:24:34 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Since the balls were measured with different equipment, at different times, in different conditions....you have no base-line to use in proving or disproving this “evidence” the NFL used. The first report the NFL released lied about the PSI numbers....there’s no there, there. That’s why this article is exposing that most of the other NFL teams know that deflategate was a farce.


58 posted on 04/26/2016 4:05:11 PM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: detective

Somebody forgot to tell the judge.


59 posted on 04/26/2016 4:09:49 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Jack Hammer

The case was about the commissioners power, not who did what, or how. Brady was an afterthought, the case was about Article 46. The NFL players were was stupid enough to giver their rights away, so this ruling was no surprise.


60 posted on 04/26/2016 4:18:26 PM PDT by LongWayHome
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