Lincoln won on the third ballot.
Sure but what do you say about a candidate who can’t carry one county in New York?
No GOP candidate except Trump stands a chance there in November and Cruz’s prospects are scarcely any brighter in the rest of the Northeast next week.
“Lincoln won on the third ballot.”
Yeah and look at what we wound up with as a result: President Obama. Thanks Lincoln!
All they had was the convention!
That was a completely different era. In New York, exit polls showed a full 70 percent of voters-- above even Trump's 60 percent support-- believed whoever has the most votes should have the nomination. If Cruz is given the nomination despite only winning a few primaries, and only "winning" through low-turnout caucus states or voterless victories, he will be punished in November by massive numbers of Republicans staying home. Cruz's favorabilities have even flipped 70 percent negative throughout the Northeast, and his numbers are showing the same reversal on a national level in the recent national polls.
Cruz might be popular to you, because you're a GOPe sycophant who even used to persecute Freepers for not supporting Romney, but Cruz is ruining his political future.
How many millions died?
Yeah. Welcome to 1859.
Did you seriously just trot out a Lincoln reference in the defense of a strategy that relies on the rights of individual State to set their own rules?
Lincoln won on the third ballot.
Lincoln was born in a log cabin in Kentucky. Cruz wasn’t.
Look how well that worked out for him!!
Didn’t they have SS back then?
but Lincoln was not a zealot
Yes, many of us see the numerous similarities between 2016 and 1860.
Well, some of us do.
Well, okay, you do.
In other news, Ted did give an inspiring speech (complete with teleprompter - when do the similarities to Obama end?) to a rousing crowd of about 60 people last night in PA.
So a third ballot? Yes, I see your point. It seems very likely.
how many Americans died? Over a half million, I would not use Lincoln winning and stuffing the room with his people as an example.
Those of us who have good educations know that Lincoln was not a good President. He murdered hundreds of thousands of Americans over a Tax. Slavery? Look at his words in his inaugural address. He had conceding the slavery issue to the south before they seceded.
And six hundred thousand people died. Not good.
Lincoln was a POS and Cruz won't win A SINGLE ballot. He's done for this election cycle.
Thanks for playing but he and his supporters are nothing more than disruptive trolls from this point forward.
Yeah, and look at how that turned out.
Cruz is bought and paid for. The puppet masters are scheming. Business as usual in DC, but that's ok with you isn't it?
And over half a million Americans died.
Lincoln won on the third ballot.
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Just before the convention, Lincoln’s men printed hundreds of counterfeit tickets and distributed them to Lincoln supporters with instructions to show up early—in order to displace Seward’s supporters...
“Lincoln won on the third ballot.”
True. I just read a Wikipedia article on the 1860 convention. Interestingly, it was Pennsylvania delegates who switched to Lincoln on the 2nd ballot, bringing him close to a tie with Seward.
Although it is a precedent for an upset victory in an open convention, there is a significant difference between the 1860 case and 2016:
Seward, the clear front runner going into the convention, was perceived by many to be a weak candidate to run against the democrats because he was too closely aligned with the radical faction of the party. The concern was that his attempts to broaden his appeal by shifting his positions to the center, were angering his base.
The radical faction of the party believed strongly in abolition without compensation to slave owners, and therefore had a narrow appeal compared to the moderate wing which favored compensation and phasing out of slavery, as had taken place in northern states.
The issue of slavery in 1860 bears no particular parallel with today’s issues, but it did strike me that if I had to compare the candidates, I would say that Cruz is more like Seward, aligned with the strict, principled conservative base of the party, which is less willing to compromise and comprises a narrow voting block. Trump is more like Lincoln, the moderate, willing to compromise, having broader appeal, who could attract independants and crossovers.
Perhaps one could argue that both Trump and Cruz are like Seward, each having alienated certain factions of the party - which would suggest a 2nd or 3rd ballot win is possible for someone, but not for Trump or Cruz.
In any case, I don’t think the Lincoln example offers much in the way of encouragement for those hoping for a 2nd or 3rd ballot win for Cruz.