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ON TRUMP'S 'EYE FOR AN EYE' QUOTE
boblonsberry.com ^ | 04/18/16 | Bob Lonsberry

Posted on 04/18/2016 6:26:47 AM PDT by shortstop

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To: kjam22

Does the Lord’s teaching apply to civil authorities?

I always thought that “eye for and eye” was for justice systems. That citizens are not to apply this to personal interactions.

I’m just asking. It came up recently between my wife and I and I felt lacking in understanding.


21 posted on 04/18/2016 6:54:42 AM PDT by Jay Thomas (If not for my faith in Christ, I would despair.)
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To: Gaffer

And I didn’t condemn you... I asked you a simple question... would you rather live by the law or by grace and forgiveness?


22 posted on 04/18/2016 6:55:15 AM PDT by kjam22 (America need forgiveness from God..... even if Donald Trump doesn't)
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To: kjam22

Your law or Caesar’s Law?


23 posted on 04/18/2016 6:55:44 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: shortstop

The author did a great job with his article.

If this had been Obama or Hildabeast the responses here would be totally different.

Trump is pandering, yes he does it. To suggests that he is so smart that he is sending a message to Putin is absurd. If you watch his speech patterns and arguing skills he is not an intellectual giant by any stretch of the imagination.

Trump may or may not be a Christian but since I don’t know him personally nor can I see into his heart I have no idea.
If he is a Christian I do know that he is not very disciplined or studied. His life clearly displayes this. For his sake I hope he is.

No need to blast me I will be voting for Trump enthusiastically if he is the nominee. I have said from the beginning I would support Trump, Cruz, or Carson and all of this campiagn rhetoric won’t change that. I am not tossed to and fro by every wind of change. I encourage Freepers to do the same.
The vitriol displayed on here for the last couple of months is rediculous. I know we have infiltrators on here but gee whiz aren’t we all actually on the same team with the same goal.


24 posted on 04/18/2016 6:59:33 AM PDT by Romans Nine
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To: Jay Thomas

An Eye for an Eye was part of the jewish law. It was given to the jewish people through Moses. You’re correct. The people of the time (and some of the people of this time) took it to be part of interpersonal interaction.


25 posted on 04/18/2016 7:00:59 AM PDT by kjam22 (America need forgiveness from God..... even if Donald Trump doesn't)
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To: Gaffer

Does it matter which law?


26 posted on 04/18/2016 7:01:55 AM PDT by kjam22 (America need forgiveness from God..... even if Donald Trump doesn't)
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To: shortstop

An ‘eye for an eye’ works for me.


27 posted on 04/18/2016 7:02:02 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: kjam22

Your entire response which you base on your Christianity was based on political motives. You use your interpretations of Trump’s words to condemn him, and in essence me for providing an inkling of some other possible good point or understandable interpretationabout what he said. Your tagline tells what you are. Don’t hide behind “all of Christendom” as an excuse for piety with which I’m not supposed to disagree.


28 posted on 04/18/2016 7:02:25 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: kjam22

See #28. I think I’m done with you.


29 posted on 04/18/2016 7:03:39 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

Whatever.... What Trump demonstrated is that he is about 95% biblically illiterate. That’s my opinion. And yes... through out the history of Christendom it has been understood what Christ said about “an eye for an eye”.... But don’t trust what I’m telling you.... just read the rest of the new testament and see what you think. It is in the end your own choice to make.


30 posted on 04/18/2016 7:05:20 AM PDT by kjam22 (America need forgiveness from God..... even if Donald Trump doesn't)
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To: shortstop

Good read

Skeptical at first but got my attention


31 posted on 04/18/2016 7:09:19 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: shortstop
Any answer given from the Bible is the correct answer. And I rebuke the author who states Jesus repudiated an eye for an eye principal.

In actuality, stating "an eye for an eye" is actually an act of judicial prudence. The Bible is stating that if the crime results in a loss of an eye then the punishment can't be greater than the loss of an eye. Back in the day almost all violations of the law ended in a death sentence. For example, we get the term "Draconian" from the Athenian law giver Dracos who punished every violation of even the most minor law with a death sentence (was outside of the Bible but Dracos was not unique).

So I rebuke Bob Lonsberry's theological interpretation.

32 posted on 04/18/2016 7:10:06 AM PDT by Trumpinator ("Are you Batman?" the boy asked. "I am Batman," Trump said.)
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To: kjam22

The self-assured arrogance is astounding. I’d suggest you explore the meaning of ‘bigot’ and then extrapolate that with a religious influence.


33 posted on 04/18/2016 7:10:27 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer
Nothing you have said changes the simple fact... that through out the history of Christendom, it has been understood what Christ said about "an eye for an eye". Maybe 2000 years of Christendom was wrong and Trumpy the lay person is correct? Does that make sense for ya? After all... he is King Trumpy the magnificent.

So yeah.... you must be right.

34 posted on 04/18/2016 7:15:24 AM PDT by kjam22 (America need forgiveness from God..... even if Donald Trump doesn't)
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To: kjam22

Again, your tag line proves your political motives, ‘Christendom’ aside.


35 posted on 04/18/2016 7:16:24 AM PDT by Gaffer
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And I didn’t condemn you... I asked you a simple question... would you rather live by the law or by grace and forgiveness?

Thomas Jefferson stated that the USA lives under the tradition of Anglo-Saxon common law that predates Christianity so I will go with living under Anglo-Saxon common law because Christianity is not a worldly system. His kingdom is not of this world.

36 posted on 04/18/2016 7:16:28 AM PDT by Trumpinator ("Are you Batman?" the boy asked. "I am Batman," Trump said.)
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Here's one more thought for you... before we part as friends.... Trumpy is famous for saying "I only counterpunch. If they hit me I hit them back EVEN HARDER."

Apparently he doesn't even live by "an eye for an eye" since he admits that he hits them back harder.

So much for philosophy class today. Have a great one!

37 posted on 04/18/2016 7:18:36 AM PDT by kjam22 (America need forgiveness from God..... even if Donald Trump doesn't)
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To: kjam22

So this is what my daughter laughingly does by texting me “kthxbai” after asking me to do something or saying something with which she knows I’ll disagree. We laugh about it and I sometimes even text that to her.

Basically, it means, “I said or did something you won’t agree to, but I’ve made my stand and I don’t need an answer...”

Guess what I want to text you.


38 posted on 04/18/2016 7:22:16 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Souled_Out

Your cartoon assumes an equivalence between Islam and the Bible-based religions that doesn’t exist. One can be a Christian or a Jew and still support and defend a democratic republic, but the same cannot be said for being a Muslim. Such muddled thinking only goes to support the takeover of the country by totalitarians.


39 posted on 04/18/2016 7:29:22 AM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: kjam22
Self appointed scholar? Man.... you're just showing your ignorance. All of Christendom knows Christ's teaching about an eye for an eye. It's not an obscure interpretation.

According to the article, Trump was asked about his favorite Bible verse. As I recall (please correct me if I am wrong) the Bible includes both the old and new testaments.

In any event, I agree with the author. Trump is not running to be America's Pastor in Chief. He is running to be the Commander in Chief. There's a difference.

40 posted on 04/18/2016 7:31:41 AM PDT by DanMiller (Dan Miller)
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