Santorum showed up in Colorado in 2012, won, and got beat. :)
Trump skipped the winning part, since it was kind of pointless.
LOL! I never get tired of seeing Kim Jong Cruz's chubby little cheeks in that TOTALLY apropos picture. :)
Posted on 04/17/2016 4:26:04 PM PDT by BlackFemaleArmyColonel
exactly the people were denied their right to vote off an establishment who made that rule in order to get their guy in and keep out who they do not want.
4 just 4 states where cruz has won where the people actually voted in a primary does make him a stronger person to run against Clinton,
The establishment cares more about stopping Trump than actually beating Clinton, and that is because they know their gravy train will end under Trump and those people whoa re in the establishment and who live in DC will know that their jobs will be lost, thus no more elitist cocktail parties and corruption. No more job, no more house in DC thus they have to move.
Under Clinton they get to keep it all .
An old man living off his safe retirement income doesn't represent millions of people currently suffering from the effects of illegal immigration or the trade policies he promotes with his RINO candidates he supports.
many of us have to work, have kids ot raise, go to sports, meets, events, work again, and do things like yard work all weekend or fixing the house.
We don’t have time to run around and try to be a delegate s we can be paid off with bribes to vote fro what the establishment wants.
We see illegals, jobs being lost, and corruption by the DC parties.
If you are retired then I ma sure you are happy with his plan for SS and will it affect you if the retirement age is raised as some of us have been doing a physical job since leaving the military at a young age .
[You know where the people elect their representatives.]
There are two kinds of Delegates: fixed & changeable.
The representative (delegate) is post election via ‘fixed’ vote. He is changeable. He legislates laws for the people.
The 2 party scam has improper changeable, unelected delegate strawmen choosing proper legislative delegate. This is crime. It is pre election.
Constitution mentions Certify & Seal, ie fixed vote.
[They elect delegates to represent the precinct at the state convention.]
Constitution says Elector, not Delegate. A delegate is a permanent legislator. Post election.
Electors mostly tally/count a non changeable, fixed vote. The strawman delegate is added so foriegn donors can effect our elections.
Constitution has no Convention. The US Senate counts the finally tally. A National Convention to modify vote tallies is criminally illegal.
Numerous crimes exist in US Elections. Our entire elections are fraud. And there are many crimes.
Our somewhat honest election is changed by adding a party layer, from election to fraud game where foriegn money can elect our candidates, using the added strawman delegate.
It is truly criminal.
Maybe we should share the duties, since there's so many shifts? :)
Sure they should, they should have it as well as everyone else. A bunch of retirees still sending their money off for miracle cures sold to them from NewsMax shouldn't represent everyone though, or banksters with time on their hands, or party officials, shouldn't be representing anyone other than themselves though.
[You know where the people elect their representatives.]
There are two kinds of Delegates: fixed & changeable.
The representative (delegate) is post election via ‘fixed’ vote. He is changeable. He legislates laws for the people.
The 2 party scam has improper changeable, unelected delegate strawmen choosing proper legislative delegate. This is crime. It is pre election.
Constitution mentions Certify & Seal, ie fixed vote.
[They elect delegates to represent the precinct at the state convention.]
Constitution says Elector, not Delegate. A delegate is a permanent legislator. Post election.
Electors mostly tally/count a non changeable, fixed vote. The strawman delegate is added so foriegn donors can effect our elections.
Constitution has no Convention. The US Senate counts the finally tally. A National Convention to modify vote tallies is criminally illegal.
Numerous crimes exist in US Elections. Our entire elections are fraud. And there are many crimes.
Our somewhat honest election is changed by adding a party layer, from election to fraud game where foriegn money can elect our candidates, using the added strawman delegate.
It is truly criminal.
That one’s going in the scrapbook. :)
I don't like seat belt laws either, but they have been in place for decades now. Either you follow the rules or you come up on the losing end eventually.
I don't like the process...it sucks. That said, all the candidates were informed of the rules months in advance. So why is it wrong or cheating for Cruz to follow the rules? I don't get it.
Santorum showed up in Colorado in 2012, won, and got beat. :)
Trump skipped the winning part, since it was kind of pointless.
LOL! I never get tired of seeing Kim Jong Cruz's chubby little cheeks in that TOTALLY apropos picture. :)
Cruz is right. This is how it is done in the primaries, and has been for years. People are now complaining because they think their candidate got the short end of the stick (If Trump had done his homework he might have been competitive in these states) Don’t like the process? work to change it. But don’t cry foul when your candidate gets beat because he either didn’t know the process or didn’t care. Thanks for standing in the gap and taking a lot of heat for Cruz supporters. I get tired of my position getting bashed in almost every thread. Trump is not who some think he is.
Are you aware that the Colorado delegates (correct term and usage) go to the state GOP convention and vote on a number of issues OTHER THAN just the 37 delegates to go to the national GOP convention? Are you aware that this is a GOP internal PARTY caucus and not an election? Are you aware that parties are allowed to have their own rules with regards how they wish to organize and administer their party? The Constitutional authority comes from the 1st Amendment’s freedom to peacefully assemble.
There are many issues that get voted on at the Colorado State convention, every thing from local rule changes, positions to be taken by the party on legislation, party platform, even officer changes can be considered. As such, what gets elected on caucus night is not just and elector, they are truly delegates that represent the precinct at the state convention. Delegates remain as delegates (likewise Precinct Captains) until the next caucus. It is possible, though unlikely that a second state convention could be assembled or called. In such cases the delegates or their alternate would be expected to represent their precinct.
And lastly, your whole premise that the Constitution has control over the party nomination process is incorrect. We are NOT in elections at this time, we are nominating candidates that will be voted on during the election.
Trump would be FOOLISH to spend his own money on CO or WY rigged elections because the #NeverTrump RNC has UNLIMITED Govts funds to fail him.
Trump cannot beat unlimited Govt resources with limited personal funds no matter how wealthy. Cruz is just a tool. No one person can beat the US Feds.
When I was a kid, I was smart enough to know all the intricacies of the rules of Monopoly.
Of course, if I wanted other kids to play Monopoly with me, I didn't mention the intricacies. Otherwise, I would have got a rep as a know-it-all jerk, and none of the other kids would have played Monopoly - or any other game - with me.
Cruz has been the "know-it-all jerk" starring on the front page of the Drudge Report for the last week.
He might have a hard time getting the other kids to play "General Election" with him this fall.
Since Trump can be a know-it-all jerk at times, I presume that he's also aware of what I found out in my youth.
He appears to be using the knowledge to great advantage.
“You have asserted something as fact, namely that the Colorado GOP officials did not follow the rules. Please supply your source for such a claim.”
No, Colorado was included with the Republican Party generally speaking. Thee are countless ways in which the “process” which is always being put forward as an excuse for the failure of the caucus and convention method of selecting delegates is so corrupted and wildly contrary to both the surrogate polling and the actual primary voting results. All you have to do is look at the 2012. 2008, and earlier elections to see examples of how the Republican Party manipulated the rules and violated the parliamentary rules at the caucus and convention level. John Boehner and Reince Priebus seemed to take particular delight in refusing to hear a call for division, points of order, or objections from the floor when it suited their purpose to deny Paul delegates. Paul and Romney supporters took delight in breaking the parliamentary rules or gaming the rules with technicalities to put themselves in as delegates despite their candidates failing to win the most actual votes in the caucus. Did these same kinds of corrupt irregularities occur in any specific caucus and convention in Colorado? I’m sure people can argue at length about that, and I cannot spare the time to track down the evidence at this time. The argument where I made my objection is the argument claiming the existence of the caucus and convention rules is sufficient cause to conclude a fair process was in place and without question must have been complied with. Any such argument fails due to past experience in previous elections where the process is corrupted by improper applications of the parliamentary rules and by the inherent inequities of the rules of the process being promoted as uncorrupt.
Bastard.
I almost blew soup out my nose.
Cruz is doubling down on stupid.
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