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Straightforward mathematical path to elimination for Cruz v Trump

Posted on 04/07/2016 4:33:06 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

Edited on 04/07/2016 4:48:52 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

According to Politico's delegate counter (http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/delegate-count-tracker) there are 882 delegates left.

If this s true, here is the delegate math to elimination:

Cruz currently has 517 delegates so he needs to win 720 more (81.6%) of the remaining delegates to reach the 1237 magic number. So Cruz can only afford to lose a maximum of 162 delegates or he is mathematically eliminated.

Trump currently has 743 delegates so he needs to win 494 more (56%) of the remaining delegates to reach the 1237 magic number. So Trump can afford to lose up to 388 delegates without being mathematically eliminated.

Fact Cruz has lost delegates at a much higher rate than Trump throughout this primary.

It appears to me that Cruz is more than twice as likely as Trump to be mathematically eliminated.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: New York; US: Ohio; US: Texas; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 2016election; cruz; delegatemath; delegates; election2016; elections; johnkasich; newyork; ohio; tedcruz; texas; trump
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To: Jim Robinson

They will both be eliminated before the convention, Cruz will be eliminated first. That is why Cruz is working so hard at lining up delegates. Brilliant campaign.


21 posted on 04/07/2016 4:46:57 PM PDT by Iowa David (Cruz 2016 - Before it's too late)
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To: Jim Robinson
Cruz is correct but Trump should be 56% per my calculations.

494 / 882 = .5600907029478458 * 100 = 56%

22 posted on 04/07/2016 4:47:13 PM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: corbe

Close. Cruz is playing by the ESTABLISHMENT rules and they have each other’s back.


23 posted on 04/07/2016 4:47:21 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

What rules regarding delegate selection is Cruz violating?


24 posted on 04/07/2016 4:48:02 PM PDT by Iowa David (Cruz 2016 - Before it's too late)
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To: JudyinCanada

Of course there’s the possibility that both Cruz and Trump could be “mathematically eliminated” from reaching 1237 before the convention. In that case, it will be up to the hundreds of “other” delegates (won by Rubio, Kasich, et al.) and unbound delegates to put one of the two over the top. That doesn’t mean Cruz or Trump “stealing” any delegates from the other guy. It’s a matter of all those non-Cruz/non-Trump delegates preferring one of the two over the other.


25 posted on 04/07/2016 4:48:11 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Social and constitutional conservative)
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To: Mechanicos

As Pres. Ford and his GOP henchmen did to Reagan in ‘76.

It’s a primary not a real estate negotiation.


26 posted on 04/07/2016 4:48:24 PM PDT by corbe (mystified)
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To: Jim Robinson
Cruz won't be mathematically eliminated unless he fails to get 720 more delegates AND Trump fails to get 494 delegates.

Then it goes to a brokered convention and the voters be damned.

27 posted on 04/07/2016 4:48:34 PM PDT by null and void ("when authority began inspiring contempt, it had stopped being authority" ~ H. Beam Piper)
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To: Mechanicos

uh,,

Trump is not spending enough on the ground game. To include ads and hiring people like Roger Stone to put him over the top.


28 posted on 04/07/2016 4:48:48 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kin Jung mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: Jim Robinson

The Green Papers show Trump with 759 delegates and Cruz with 514. I think most newser (Trump haters ;-)) have not credited Trump with all of the Missouri delegates that he has won. I believe the MO Secretary of State has now certified their primary election count.

The delegate count is halfway down the webpage.

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/

Cruz is likely to be mathematically eliminated by the end of this month from getting to 1,237.


29 posted on 04/07/2016 4:49:08 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Robert DeLong

Yup. Typo. Thanks.


30 posted on 04/07/2016 4:49:37 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Looks like 769 remaining delegates*. Cruz needs 720 of them to win. That leaves him a “margin” of only 49 delegates.

After 4/19, it’s over for Cruz.

* source reference for remaining delegates
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/primary-calendar-and-results.html


31 posted on 04/07/2016 4:49:40 PM PDT by Flick Lives (One should not attend even the end of the world without a good breakfast. -- Heinlein)
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To: fooman

hes doing very well so far, in the lead and on track to get he nomination.


32 posted on 04/07/2016 4:52:32 PM PDT by Mechanicos (Attend a Trump Rally and get to "Punch a Commie for Mommy.")
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To: JudyinCanada

They are not stolen. It is the second part of campaigning, is building support, so when delegates are released (rules vary per state) you pick them up. They system is geared so that if there is not a clear popular winner, it goes to rig strongest campaign. There is no such thing as stolen delegates. You don’t hear Trumpsters complaining about winner tak all states do you? Wouldn’t it be more fair if they were given out proportional? Every state has its own rules, how delegates are given out and when they are released. If Trump loses delegates after the first vote that is his own fault.


33 posted on 04/07/2016 4:53:26 PM PDT by D Rider
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To: Jim Robinson

You have to factor in the other delegates - the Rubio, K. Etc. - Jim

The first round may result in no winner, so second round, some delegates will move. What portion go Trump. What portion go Cruz.

Kaisich and Rubio are out but potential King makers.

So neither Trump or Cruz can be mathematically eliminated at fhis stage. They are both in he final round.


34 posted on 04/07/2016 4:53:31 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad ("the media are selling you a line of soap")
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To: Jim Robinson

Wonderful analyses. My sources are telling me that Trump will make a deal with Rubio for VP and blow the lid off this . Cruz and Trump animosity is too great for reconciliation. But if We ( Trump) don’t make a deal, the oligarchy will steal this from the people. It will be the end of the party. Rubio is a bad sweater and of dominutive stature but “he was our future”. The VP only has to go to the Senate on a few occasions. Rubio has practiced that to perfection. He might learn something from Trump. He has 145 delegates and that is just enough to get him a job, which he desperately needs.


35 posted on 04/07/2016 4:54:25 PM PDT by WENDLE (I guess)
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To: D Rider

Ok - as I said, I don’t know how it works, but it still sounds odd.


36 posted on 04/07/2016 4:54:57 PM PDT by JudyinCanada
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To: JudyinCanada

If a delegate is bound on the first ballot it does not matter. However, the gameplay is who is sent as that bound delegate. Is it someone who supports Trump as a Trump delegate or a Cruz or GOPe delegate sent as a Trump delegate. If the latter then on the second and subsequent ballots that person votes for Cruz or if a party regular for whomever the party says to vote. That is why it is critical for the GOPe to keep Trump from getting a majority of the delegates. They know Cruz will fail to get the required number for the first ballot.


37 posted on 04/07/2016 4:55:03 PM PDT by georgiarat (Obama, providing incompetence since Day One!)
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To: Mechanicos

Though I’m sure some delegates can be bought I’m also sure most cannot.

These delegates are people very much like all of us. The majority are just folks who get involved because they live their country and despise democrats.


38 posted on 04/07/2016 4:55:04 PM PDT by Outlaw76 (Conservative, Showman, Rino. Make your choice wisely.)
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To: Red Steel
Cruz is likely to be mathematically eliminated by the end of this month from getting to 1,237.

From getting to 1237 before the convention, that is. At the convention, he could get to 1237, if Trump has not gotten there either.

39 posted on 04/07/2016 4:55:16 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Social and constitutional conservative)
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To: Jim Robinson
What will be interesting is after the 19th when Cruz is mathematically eliminated, and since he has been forthright in claiming that Kasich should remove himself from the race, will Cruz at that point do as he expects Kasich to do?

Of course the answer will be no, that is why he is focusing on a contested convention rather than expanding his current base. The fact is, the American electorate has voted against Cruz more than they have voted against Trump and so for Cruz to stay in means that it is his arrogant political ego that he serves first and foremost, not the American electorate.

40 posted on 04/07/2016 4:56:42 PM PDT by patlin ("Knowledgee chosen to participate inthat is - 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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