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To: vladimir998

Please don’t try to go into tl;dr territory.

Vassalage is all about subordination. Ireland was subordinate to no power between 1948 and 1972; after 1972, they were subordinate to the EU (then called the EEC). So they went from being absolutely free to being unfree (subordinate to the EU, as the Third Amendment makes it clear that EU laws would have “the force of law in the [Irish] State”), which is not among the goals declared for Ireland in the 1916 proclamation; submitting to European regulations, directives and other dictates is against the declaration in the 1916 proclamation that “the unfettered control of Irish destinies ... be sovereign and undefeasible”.

Again, there is no commonality between the USSR and the USA working against the Third Reich and the IRB working with the native Irish communists, other than, as you say, believers happening to work with the godless towards a common goal. The USSR was not a satellite of that Reich albeit under attack, and it was in the best interest of the world that the Nazi regime be defeated swiftly. In Ireland, the situation was peaceful between it and Westminster, and it was instead communist agitation and propaganda that gave some the false impression that the goal of Ireland at the time (Home Rule) would have been withheld at the conclusion of World War I since its implementation was suspended due to that war; it was absolutely not a pressing issue to suddenly try to set up a native government by force when it was going to be done by legislation, even worse to suddenly create a new front for the war within the UK.

The Cork Examiner’s reporting tends to be skewed. Just like the Irish Times (admittedly) is skewed towards the EU, as it used to be skewed towards the UK in the past. Given the moral state of Ireland today, I wonder what was fought for; if it is the goals that the USSR sought (philosophy is based directly on hatred), then the Brits ought to have won that one, but they themselves have been conquered by the same godless philosophy.

Also given that the EU has worked as the USA’s enemy over the past few decades, I tend to brook not even the mildest defense of it.


41 posted on 04/03/2016 7:32:40 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

“Vassalage is all about subordination. Ireland was subordinate to no power between 1948 and 1972”

Until the 1920’s Ireland was oppressed by the English who stole their land, banned their language, suppressed their religion, and killed their people. You keep avoiding those facts. The EU has killed exactly NO ONE in Ireland. Ireland can leave the EU any damn time it wants and not a single shot need be fired. You keep ignoring these facts.

Nothing you can possibly say will change what is factual. Ireland is MORE FREE now than it was in 1920. That’s just a fact.

“Again, there is no commonality between the USSR and the USA working against the Third Reich and the IRB working with the native Irish communists”

Of course there is. We worked hand in glove with communists to kill Nazis. The Irish worked with communists to overthrow Englishman. Some Irish were even willing to work with the Nazis against the English. Those are just facts. If the USSR had invaded and occupied much of the U.S.A. in 1939 we would gladly have accepted Nazi help to get rid of them. If you doubt that for even a single second, then you have no understanding of history whatsoever. Desperate nations will form friendships and alliance with anyone who can help them. That’s just a fact.

The EU doesn’t have a single tank, or warplane, or warship, or soldier in Ireland. Not one. The English had thousands of soldiers and auxiliaries. That’s just a fact.


55 posted on 04/04/2016 7:34:31 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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