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Screaming to sleep, Part One: The moral imperative to end 'cry it out'
Philly Voice ^ | 150126 | Amy Wright Glenn

Posted on 03/25/2016 8:50:29 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan

Suddenly, Tyler is screaming. Screaming. Tyler’s screams could pierce through the din of any commercial. They could break glass. Gabriel sits up with a start, his heart racing.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: abuse; babies; depression; parenting
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To: little jeremiah
The idea that little children and babies should be left alone to cry is nothing short of demoniac.

Absolutely 100% agree.

It is TOTALLY evil.

61 posted on 03/25/2016 10:53:28 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Celerity

You are talking about a situation which is highly unusual so it does not pertain to the thread

My kid screamed for three years People used to tell me oh wait till she’s a teenager then you’ll have trouble. I thought no I’ve paid my dues. She gave me zero trouble all through high school. Zero

She does not sleep more than five hours. Will not. I always say we’re still waiting for her to take a nap.

She had one tantrum. One. THAT I dod not respond to. She figured it was a waste of energy never again

Dr Sears calls them kids high need. You’re missing it if you don’t know him

I was able to stay home hub was a provider. We let him sleep

But there might be something you’re missing. Self pity will keep problem solving to a minimum


62 posted on 03/25/2016 10:55:02 PM PDT by stanne
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To: bramps

And by the way, sharing a bit of successfulness with a controversial topic, does help show that not all people who reject the “norm” are whack jobs who are unemployed basket cases living in tornado alley smoking pallmalls with a chaser of Big Red and Vodka from Grocery Outlet.


63 posted on 03/25/2016 10:55:03 PM PDT by Porterville (Methink'st thou art a general offence and every man should beat thee.)
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To: Celerity

Research parasites as well. Sandboxes etc are rife. Some kids don’t tolerate as well as others


64 posted on 03/25/2016 10:57:53 PM PDT by stanne
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To: opus1
I imagine it did not take you a doctor, therapist or book to figure that out either.

Not really. I just learned her ways.

Somewhere under a half-hour after she fell asleep, she'd shudder once and her breathing would get markedly slower and deeper. At that point, I could put her in the crib and she'd sleep all through the night.

65 posted on 03/25/2016 10:59:08 PM PDT by papertyger (-/\/\/\-)
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To: stanne

Dr Sears calls them kids

Uh. THESE kids


66 posted on 03/25/2016 10:59:21 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Porterville

Ok, I get it. You sound like a great dad.


67 posted on 03/25/2016 11:01:19 PM PDT by bramps (It's the Islam, stupid!)
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To: bramps

That’s all I’m saying :)

I’m most proud of being a dad and what I can give my kids.


68 posted on 03/25/2016 11:03:17 PM PDT by Porterville (Methink'st thou art a general offence and every man should beat thee.)
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To: opus1

Amen, Opus.

I am shocked by the amount of “parenting” that is done for the parent’s benefit!


69 posted on 03/25/2016 11:04:56 PM PDT by papertyger (-/\/\/\-)
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To: lastchance

A child learns “self-soothing” by BEING SOOTHED, and in no other way.

What these child abusers call “self-soothing” (they are soothing their own consciences) is exhaustion, despair, and BRAIN DAMAGE.


70 posted on 03/26/2016 12:10:56 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Celerity
We have our mattress on the floor, and her matress next to ours. Throughout the night we switch sides and continuously attempt to get her to sleep without holding our hands.

This is baffling. You are making your life into a living Hell because getting her to NOT hold your hand is all-important to you?

71 posted on 03/26/2016 12:14:10 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Celerity
Please take a look at your daughter's diet. I was chronically ill for 9 years and suffered from acute insomnia (so I can definitely relate to the effects of sleep depravation that you are suffering, as well).

The culprit turned out to be food allergies. Once I stripped the triggers out of my diet and cleansed my system, I started sleeping through the night again. The change took all of 3 days for my life to return to normal.

You might want to put her on the candida diet, which contains a whole host of foods you would by at any supermarket. No milk, no bread, no cheese, nothing that contains yeast, sugar, or converts to sugar as it's broken down. It will help shift her engine into a lower gear and allow her to reach deep REM cycles (and you, too!).

For any naysayers out there, if you have never suffered from protracted episodes of insomnia, you would not understand how it damages your health, impacts your ability to function on a daily basis, and wreaks havoc on your cognition. This Dad is hanging on by his fingernails and needs compassion and prayers.

I'm praying for you, Celerity, you and your family.

72 posted on 03/26/2016 12:17:46 AM PDT by TheWriterTX (Trust not in earthly princes....)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

This theory has been around since Dr. Spock (1946) and probably much longer. There have always been crabby people who are eager to accuse parents of “spoiling” their children. Considering that the damage is permanent and severe, what is being done to our society by these 40% of children who are brain-damaged?

No wonder 1.3 million women each year are capable of killing their own babies—58 million so far. And we have one-and-a-half major political parties who don’t think 58 million is enough.

(I remember a caller to Dr. Laura who said her husband would get mad when she picked up her child, because it would “spoil” him. Dr. Laura said, “You spoil children by giving them everything they want or letting them do everything they want. You cannot spoil a child by picking him up, or hugging him.”)

I have long felt that preachers don’t preach (and don’t even KNOW) about most of the evil their people are doing. This is a perfect example. People are destroying their own children, and will NEVER, NEVER, NEVER hear from the pulpit a word about it.

99.999% of Confessions are “I gossiped, I lied, I missed my prayers.” And these are the people, a tiny minority, who go to Confession. Meanwhile, children are being destroyed in the crib, and later, in schools.


73 posted on 03/26/2016 12:24:45 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: reaganaut

Best wishes for your family! I spent many a night on FR with an all-night baby over the last twelve years. So much better than when there was nothing but infomercials on tv!


74 posted on 03/26/2016 2:45:02 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("The world is full of wonder, but you see it only if you look." ~NicknamedBob)
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To: Celerity

Toughen up? My father told me during the Koran War he lived in a combat zone for 300 days. Almost one year. He said he was shot at, mortared and shelled almost every day running phone lines all over hot battlefields. Snipers love to pick off the guy with the spool. Now that was depressing and stressful. He was in battalion communications so when everyone is bugging out he had to stay back and destroy everything before the gooks got to the abandoned HQ. He avoided capture somehow. Luck.


75 posted on 03/26/2016 5:06:22 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Arthur McGowan

I was waiting for someone to mention that . Holding her hand throughout the night is just something that you slip on . Sometimes, you let go. And she kicks and cries.

My biggest problem is that I have arthritis. That makes pretty much anything I do with my hands pretty irritating.


76 posted on 03/26/2016 5:51:43 AM PDT by Celerity
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To: TheWriterTX

Thanks for the words of encouragement - it’s really needed sometimes.

Diet has been at the forefront of her treatment throughout her life.

When she first came home crying was “incessant”. (Measurement and charting showed she actually cried for 2 hours of the day.. which when you start charting things like that takes on a different meaning). She cried so much that she stopped breathing for 12 seconds. I’m a new parent, and knew NOTHING about anything so I actually took her to the ER. That started our diagnosis of intestinal / stomach issues.

months later, she’s on Zantac, alimentum, special diets with single proteins. Things got better, but never recovered.

At 8 months old we stopped the Zantac and started bringing her up to a normal diet over time. Right now, she’s getting 2 ounce of Alimentum once a day. So it’s starting to become a normal diet.

Oh, and she actually slept quite a bit last night. I guess some people’s prayers may have been heard !


77 posted on 03/26/2016 5:56:38 AM PDT by Celerity
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To: Celerity

I’m sorry to here about your troubles. I really do sympathize. I know how precious sleep is for simple everyday functioning.

I will pray for you and your wife and your baby. I hope your situation improves soon.


78 posted on 03/26/2016 6:23:51 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: Celerity
I'll pray for you. My wife and I have lost a lot of sleep but we're gluttons for punishment, we have 12. Your situation sounds incredible.

I'm not thinking this will help you at all but this is my recipe for my hard headed kids (who take after my wife and me). 100 pats on the back and a song or two. Cry it out for 5 min. Rinse repeat until mutual satisfaction is achieved. Sometimes after the pats I let my hand sloooowly settle on the back and just let it sit a minute before slowly leaving the room. My business trips usually disrupt everything, my wife spoils them and I have to slog it out when I get back.

79 posted on 03/26/2016 6:40:18 AM PDT by Theophilus (Always vote. Always vote your conscience. God wins every election.)
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To: Celerity

Don’t get the wrong idea. I feel for you. I found that part puzzling.

This can’t go on much longer.

My sister is a pediatrician specializing in severe problems. She has talked about a boy who was not sleeping at all, and was consequently a terror. My sister recommended total darkness in his room—no nightlight, no clock, etc. It worked. I’m not suggesting this is relevant. But there may be something that will help.

She should be talking soon. I hope that changes things.


80 posted on 03/26/2016 6:49:58 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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