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Catholic Vote: Not. Trump.
Catholic Vote ^ | 1-27-16 | Brian at Catholic Vote

Posted on 01/27/2016 12:28:09 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic

CV cannot remain on the sidelines any longer.

As Iowans prepare to cast the first votes in the 2016 nomination process, we owe you our thoughts. While we are not officially endorsing a candidate at this time, we believe it is important to share some critical thoughts on the race, or at least on one candidate in particular.

As Catholics, we are called to participate in the democratic process. The Church does not endorse candidates for public office. That job rests with us, the laity. No candidate is perfect, and no simple checklist is sufficient. Prudence is a necessity. Some candidates ought to be disqualified from receiving the support of a Catholic voter. Others must be weighed in light of the moral principles given to us by our Church.

We have asked for your feedback on multiple occasions. Thousands of CV members have written. We've read them all. In addition we follow the daily news, analysis, polling, and have crafted our strategy for 2016.

And so today we begin with the elephant in the room.

Should Catholics support Donald Trump? No.

We have sifted through the most popular arguments in defense of Trump and listed them below along with our own take. Here they are:

1. "Trump is a leader we can trust"

While we share much of the frustration over the failure of the GOP to make significant progress, we are reminded of Republicans' once oft-quoted criticism of President Bill Clinton: character matters.

Donald J. Trump left his first wife and married his mistress, only to leave her a few years later for another mistress. Reportedly he left his second wife by leaking the news to a NY newspaper and left the headline on the bed for his wife to find. In his book, The Art of the Deal, Trump bragged about having sex with many women, including some who were married. He has appeared on the cover of Playboy Magazine with a model wearing only his tuxedo jacket. He has mocked the disability of a NY Times reporter. He belittled John McCain for being a prisoner of war. His casino in Atlantic City was the first in the country to open up a strip club. His Twitter account is a running barrage of insults, lies, and personal attacks on anyone who disagrees with him. And did we mention he famously cheats at golf? Now who does that remind you of?

Now ask yourself: does this man have the character becoming of the President of the United States?

2. "Trump can’t be bought because he is rich!"

Trump is a salesmen, and salesmen don't buy, they sell. So he won’t be "bought." Instead he will sell out everyone and anyone when it benefits him, as he has his entire career. He was a liberal democrat, pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, pro-universal health care, pro-government bailouts, and a financial backer and friend of Hillary Clinton until he decided to run as a Republican last summer. He is the definition of an opportunist with no guiding principles.

3. "Trump is a leader who will get things done"

Trump markets himself as an effective leader who will get things done simply by making "smart deals." He refuses to explain precisely how he intends to deliver results, and more often than not, promises to use force or work around or outside the law. Such a leader mirrors what we currently see in the White House. It would be incredibly harmful to our system of government, which is limited by our Constitution -- even if we like the policy outcome. We must be a nation of laws. For Trump, it is all about power. For a Christian, the presidency should be about service.

4. "Trump is a successful businessman who will make great deals"

If you believe the headlines, you would assume everything Donald Trump touches turns to gold. Not so. Trump has only demonstrated an ability to make deals that benefit him personally. Four times he bailed on his own casinos to shield himself from their impending bankruptcies. And then there is Trump Magazine, Trump Airlines, Trump Steaks/Steakhouse, Trump Vodka, and most famously Trump University, to name only a few -- all bankrupt or closed, and massive failures. "Losers" as Trump is fond of saying.

He has constantly cozied up to big government to trample the little guy, either by abusing private property rights, or selling out small contractors and vendors, many of whom lost their life savings. Just ask elderly widow Vera Coking, whom Trump attempted to displace via eminent domain laws to make way for a limousine parking lot for his New Jersey casino -- the same casino he put into bankruptcy. Vera stood tall against the politically-connected billionaire Trump for years in court, enduring his practice of belittling personal attacks. She eventually won and called Trump a "maggot, a cockroach, and a crumb."

5. "Trump will end illegal immigration"

Trump has pledged to build a massive wall on our southern border and to make Mexico pay for it. Meanwhile he has promised to deport 11 million+ illegals, without explaining how, then plans to allow them all back in legally according to criteria he has yet to fully explain.

We agree illegal immigration is a problem that must be solved. Trump's solution is delusional, strikes us as xenophobic -- and truthfully, will never happen. If anything, Trump's demagoguery on immigration showcases the emptiness of many of his promises. As President Obama has learned, American presidents don't dictate laws. The Senate and House would have to pass any change of this magnitude, and such a solution has little to no chance of being approved. Border security and immigration enforcement are realistic fixes. Rounding up 11 million+ people and sending them back to Mexico is not practical or realistic, let alone humane. Those who rightfully want to solve the problem of illegal immigration deserve more than crowd pleasing platitudes. And it's certainly worth noting that Donald Trump criticized Mitt Romney for being too harsh on immigration back in 2012. This is just another issue where Donald Trump had a very recent and rather convenient conversion.

Several other presidential candidates have outlined more realistic policies to deal with problem. And that's what real leaders do. They outline solutions and build consensus. Hyperbole and demagoguery are tools of salesmen (see above) out for your money or your vote. Trump's lack of detail reminds us of another famous politician who proclaimed: "we have to pass the bill before you can see what’s in it."

6. "Trump will fight the Establishment!"

This defense of Trump is somewhat rich, given the irony that Trump himself has boasted of playing the game, paying off politicians and enriching himself from the very system he now purports to reform. Case in point: in the past week a growing number of so-called "establishment Republicans" have warmed to supporting Trump, people like Bob Dole and Trent Lott -- including establishment Republicans in Iowa like Gov. Terry Branstad. Why? Because they believe, rightly in our view, that Trump doesn't have any principles at the end of the day. He's someone who will wheel and deal -- and you and I will be stuck with the bill.

Electing Donald Trump would send the pro-life movement back to the 1990s, when the Republican Party wanted to run away from defending the unborn. In fact, Trump recommended his own sister, Maryanne Trump Berry, for the Supreme Court. She's the federal judge who overturned New Jersey's ban on grisly partial-birth abortions. The next President may choose as many as three or more new justices. Trump's suggestion of his pro-abortion sister as an example ought to worry anyone who cares about the Court. And let's not forget he once said Oprah would make a great Vice President. Enough said.

7. "Trump is one of us"

Trump's political conversions have all happened at very convenient times. As recently as 2000, Trump was firmly "pro-choice," even refusing to oppose partial birth abortion! He was in favor of gay civil unions. He is open, even now, to subsidizing abortion giant Planned Parenthood with our tax dollars. He considers gay marriage a settled issue and has offered no plan to protect religious freedom. He is pro-universal health care, supported the stimulus package and government bailouts, supported gun control and a host of radical positions. Trump is like many Democrats we know. He is a political opportunist.

Conclusion

Trump is right about something -- it is time for a change. We do need to shake things up and make America great again. And his awakening of working class voters who are often sidelined by terrible policy and poor leadership is a lesson every Republican must take seriously or they will lose in November.

But the power to change does not require a fear mongering business mogul, appealing to our worst fears instead of our best hopes.

With other good candidates in the race, we encourage our members to look beyond Trump.

This is an historic opportunity to win back the White House with someone we can be proud to have as President.

Iowa, New Hampshire... we're looking to you to lead the way.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Iowa; US: New Hampshire
KEYWORDS: catholic; catholicvote; character; christianity; donaldtrump
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I’m a practicing Catholic-I wouldn’t vote for an atheist-or a muslim-for president-that said, if I were letting the church influence my vote, I’d be voting democrat-but those are not my values, so I will ignore the church on this. The current pope is an all but avowed socialist from a communist country-he won’t even take a strong stand on moral issues like homosexual marriage or defeating radical islam, and insists we must let every border jumping, river swimming illegal from the 3d world come here, be fed and housed no matter what their intentions. No thanks-the church should not be involved in politics-and I’ll bet I’m not the only one who wishes Pope Benedict would change his mind and come back...


61 posted on 01/27/2016 1:51:32 PM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Texan5

Pope Benedict was wonderful. (she said, wistfully)


62 posted on 01/27/2016 1:52:42 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Sacajaweau

Count this Catholic in also!
When Trump retires in 8 years he can convert and be a Yuge Pope! He likes Gold so the Vatican would be a perfect fit. His delivery reminds me of the priests at my high school. Tough, Funny, No nonsense, and Great Men.
Go Trump


63 posted on 01/27/2016 1:53:25 PM PST by MotorCityBuck ( Keep the change, you filthy animal! ,)
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To: navymom1
Same here.

Sadly in my parish most of the folks were for Obama (at least the first time around) as well as Bill Clinton in other elections.

64 posted on 01/27/2016 1:56:43 PM PST by Jed Eckert (The government solution to a problem is usually as bad as the problem)
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To: Romulus
They say Catholics always vote for liberals.

I guess a whole lot of FR Catholics are okay with voting for a liberal as long as he calls himself a Republican.

65 posted on 01/27/2016 1:56:57 PM PST by Campion (Halten Sie sich unbedingt an die Lehre!)
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To: jmaroneps37; HarleyLady27

Glad to see I’m not the only one not allowing the church to influence my vote-a few hundred years ago, we’d have all been burned as heretics, I guess...


66 posted on 01/27/2016 1:57:42 PM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

“Government” can be defined using Romans 13. I want a government that restrains evil and thus keeps order among fallen man. Pagan rulers have been fufulling this role for millennia...even if they were rotten.

We cannot do without order.

Trump seems the closest ELECTABLE man to restore order that I can see.


67 posted on 01/27/2016 1:59:52 PM PST by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: Texan5

The Church has nothing officially to do with this ‘Catholic vote’ organization. In any case the majority of bishops would tell you not to vote for Trump because he is too mean and conservative, this Catholic vote dude doesn’t seem to dig him because he isn’t proven to be conservative enough in his estimation.

Freegards


68 posted on 01/27/2016 2:03:04 PM PST by Ransomed
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To: Campion

This country would be better off if Catholics couldn’t vote. That’s how bad things are.


69 posted on 01/27/2016 2:04:42 PM PST by Romulus
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To: trisham

He made me very proud to be a Catholic.


70 posted on 01/27/2016 2:04:44 PM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: forgotten man
Catholic priests, bishops, and nuns are 99% economic illiterates.

They live in housing that is paid for by the Church. They have cooks and housekeepers. Other people pick-up their healthcare and retirement. They are comparatively pampered. They have never had to exist in the real economy.


71 posted on 01/27/2016 2:07:15 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Texan5

I was never worried about his motives or decisions. I was torn when he chose to retire; happy for him but concerned for the future.


72 posted on 01/27/2016 2:08:32 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Romulus
This country would be better off if Catholics couldn't vote.

I'm Catholic and I am not going to object to that statement. Too many people I go to church with show up at every Pro Life vigil, then turn around and pull the lever for Democrats who have never met an abortion they would not fund.


73 posted on 01/27/2016 2:09:31 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Romulus
This country would be better off if Catholics couldn't vote.

This country would be better off if women couldn't vote.

This country would be better off if Blacks couldn't vote.

This country would be better off if Hispanics couldn't vote.

This country would be better off if Jews couldn't vote.

This country would be better off if city dwellers couldn't vote. ...

How far do you want to take that logic?

74 posted on 01/27/2016 2:11:56 PM PST by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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To: afraidfortherepublic

The “Catholic” vote went to 0bama twice.

Done.

5.56mm


75 posted on 01/27/2016 2:12:04 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: Ransomed

While that may be true, and any publication is entitled to their opinion-if Trump becomes the nominee-conservative enough or not-then we are left with either Trump or an out-and-out socialist who is for open borders, disarming us so we are soft targets like Europeans, and who practically worships abortion as a sacrament. I think for a principled conservative, there is only one way to vote.


76 posted on 01/27/2016 2:14:09 PM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

I am going to carve out an exception for my own state of Louisiana, where the Catholic culture seems really to have made a difference politically, especially in life issues. I can only ascribe it to the fact that our Catholic roots aren’t Irish, as they are elsewhere in America, but French. Can’t explain why, but it really seems to have made a difference.

But nationally — yeah, we’re a net negative. Shameful.


77 posted on 01/27/2016 2:14:41 PM PST by Romulus
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To: NorthMountain

Logic? What logic? I’m not constructing a logical argument. I’m stating a plain fact, speaking as a conservative, based on American history during my lifetime.

But since you bring it up, I will readily entertain arguments that the franchise is too diluted among free riders and other assorted non-stakeholders to retain any meaning or value.


78 posted on 01/27/2016 2:19:32 PM PST by Romulus
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To: Romulus

If anyone in this parish votes democrat, they are keeping it a secret-there hasn’t even been a democrat to run for county office here in at least 10 years-but this is a rural area...


79 posted on 01/27/2016 2:19:44 PM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I did not even read it, as I could not get past the headline. I don’t know what started the stupid Internet practice of using a period after each word, but such usage signals to me that the writer is not too swift.


80 posted on 01/27/2016 2:25:31 PM PST by Bigg Red (Keep calm and Pray on.)
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