Posted on 01/18/2016 2:06:18 PM PST by Mariner
WASHINGTON — After he left Wall Street to enter politics eight years ago, Representative Jim Himes, Democrat of Connecticut, began fielding the occasional question of when he intended to run for president.
“It has come up in jest any number of times,†said Mr. Himes, who always has his answer ready. “There could be constitutional questions.â€
Mr. Himes, you see, was born in Peru in 1966 while his father worked for the Ford Foundation. That makes him one of at least 17 current members of Congress who, because of their birth outside the United States, could run afoul of the Constitution’s “natural born citizen†presidential requirement should they try to relocate down Pennsylvania Avenue.
For generations, confusion and uncertainty have surrounded this murky presidential qualification. It is a question that dogged President Obama, and even his challenger in 2008, Senator John McCain. With “birtherism†now seemingly a regular feature of American politics, demand is mounting for a definitive answer to the modern meaning of “natural born,†a term that was crafted in an era when ocean crossings took months and people rarely ventured more than a few miles beyond where they were born.
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Like the rule of law and the adhering to the Constitution? If they aren't willing to obey the consitution when they campaign for President, do you really think they will obey when they are in office?
Dang! So that leaves out Donald Trump. His mother was only a citizen for 4 years when he was born. There are naturalized citizens and natural born. Trump’s mother was naturalized. Cruz’s father was naturalized. Cruz and Trump are both natural born.
No I asked you if we deserve HIllary. She meets your qualifications.
Is there another candidate who has a chance of winning who just might support conservative values?
That would certainly be the most expeditious route.
If a state denied ballot access to any candidate over this issue, that would be an ascertained route to the USSC under Original Jurisdiction.
Right now, the states are also the best arbiter of who is eligible to obtain ballot access and under what circumstances.
Nobody could claim a state does not have standing.
It’s simple.
Within citizenry of US
1). Naturalized - Has green card. Later passes citizenship test, goes through ceremony. Gets naturalization papers.
2). Natural born - All others.
“Like the rule of law and the adhering to the Constitution? If they aren’t willing to obey the consitution when they campaign for President, do you really think they will obey when they are in office?”
Who among the candidates isn’t obeying the Constitution?
That may very well be the case as I have serious doubts any consequential court in the land will touch it.
Also, there need to be more stipulations to be president. Obama is an example. His heart was never an all-American heart. He was raised elsewhere, under a different culture and his background and history is still under suspicion....with sealed school records, etc.
I don't trust the voters at all. The next snake-oil salesman can come out of any scenario you can think of. What if you have an American parent or parents but have been raised in Russia, Cuba, North Korea, Iran, South America..anywhere for the first 30 years or so of your life? You can still run for president? You would not be culturally American...with the same values and American experiences.
This issue needs to be addressed, discussed, argued about, and finally clarified. This is more important than ever.
That's the stupidest thing I ever heard. You learning your law from Mark Levin or what?
Or even more basic...
Birthright citizenship = natural born
All others = Not
It is resolved.
What you’re saying is we need the Court to say it’s something different than what the constitution says. And they’ll only be too happy to say it means anyone can be president since there can not be any second class of “citizens”.
If there is a law that cites Natural Born Citizenship, and defines it, it should be a great precedent for when this eventually reaches the USSC.
>>> Well that didn’t work.
lol... referring to Obama you are correct... (sort of)
Point being... even our Courts have long forgotten (or re-defined) original intent... so it WOULD have worked if it had been applied faithfully by even ONE State attorney general. (Which by the way was ALMOST Hawaii of all places)
It’s what you get from allowing communists into any elective office... they start breaking down the meaning of law so that none of it means anything except what the media deems important.
You don’t support Cruz? Not butt hurt? And your hillary statement is a low blow. You should be ashamed.lol.
Secretary of State is an elected position, they will have a website for each state and a contact email address to write to. Maybe one of them in these 50 states would at least consider denying ballot access if enough people requested it.
born a citizen of one of the several states, of parents who owe no loyalty to a country other than the United States.This isn't quite as "harsh" and "rigid" as born on the soil, it track the language of Art IV, Sec.2, and approximately tracks a correct application of "under the jurisdiction of" as that term appears in the 14th amendment.
It makes people who are dual citizens at birth ineligible. I believe that is well supported in the founding and history of the constitution and nation. If dual citizenship is odious as a member of Congress, it ought to be odious for circumstances of birth for those in the pool of potential candidates for the office.
You would not support the USA defining the difference between the two and the applicability to Article II?
Better yet, where was the guy that she runs born? He has never produced legitimate birth documents, only a manufactured web creation.
Hoping that the current question brings the question of his origins to court.
Please cite any US Law the specifically defines "Natural Born Citizen". It's widely known there isn't one that uses that term.
meh Washington wasn’t born on us soil
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