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For Republicans, Mounting Fears of Lasting Split
The New York Times ^ | January 9th, 2016 | By PATRICK HEALY and JONATHAN MARTIN

Posted on 01/09/2016 12:39:15 PM PST by Mariner

The Republican Party is facing a historic split over its fundamental principles and identity, as its once powerful establishment grapples with an eruption of class tensions, ethnic resentments and mistrust among working-class conservatives who are demanding a presidential nominee who represents their interests.

At family dinners and New Year’s parties, in conference calls and at private lunches, longtime Republicans are expressing a growing fear that the coming election could be shattering for the party, or reshape it in ways that leave it unrecognizable.

While warring party factions usually reconcile after brutal nomination fights, this race feels different, according to interviews with more than 50 Republican leaders, activists, donors and voters, from both elite circles and the grass roots.

Never have so many voters been attracted to Republican candidates like Donald J. Trump and Senator Ted Cruz of Texas, who are challenging core party beliefs on the economy and national security and new goals like winning over Hispanics through immigration reform. Rank-and-file conservatives, after decades of deferring to party elites, are trying to stage what is effectively a people’s coup by selecting a standard-bearer who is not the preferred candidate of wealthy donors and elected officials.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New York
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To: hal ogen

The entire problem. Obama could have done none of this without GOP support.


21 posted on 01/09/2016 12:59:43 PM PST by Norm Lenhart (Existential Cage Theory - An idea whose time has come)
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To: Mariner

“While warring party factions usually reconcile after brutal nomination fights....”

After what the GOP pulled in MS to get Cochran back into the Senate, there won’t be any reconciliation here.

I started casting some 3rd party votes that year and the GOP hasn’t given me one, single reason to regret it. In fact, I only feel vindicated given what they’ve done since.


22 posted on 01/09/2016 1:03:03 PM PST by Nickname
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To: Mariner

Whig Party bump for later....


23 posted on 01/09/2016 1:03:58 PM PST by indthkr
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To: Mariner

Let the GOPe be afraid, very afraid.


24 posted on 01/09/2016 1:04:46 PM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: Mariner
The party received its death blow in the 2014 Mississippi Primary when the GOPe threw everything they had, including the Democrats, to get Thad Cochran elected in the run-off. Just imagine what they will pull in the convention if neither Trump nor Cruz have 50% of the delegate in the first vote.
25 posted on 01/09/2016 1:05:11 PM PST by KarlInOhio (CNBC = Clowns Neutered By Cruz)
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To: Mariner

From now on there should be an effort to always refer to Paul Ryan as a senior Pelosi staffer.


26 posted on 01/09/2016 1:06:34 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: KarlInOhio
I would suggest that it started earlier...

Next for GOP leaders: Stopping Palin

27 posted on 01/09/2016 1:10:25 PM PST by Timber Rattler ("To hold a pen is to be at war." --Voltaire)
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To: PeteB570
Well, the GOPe could end it all by just signing a loyalty oath saying they will support whoever wins the Primary....
Just like they told us to do for years.

Hey, Royalty doesn't have to do that! Only commoners!

28 posted on 01/09/2016 1:11:23 PM PST by COBOL2Java (I'll vote for Jeb when Terri Schiavo endorses him.)
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To: Mariner

And who’s ever going to vote for the GOPers if that happens? They clearly don’t . . and won’t . . have the numbers.

They’re the ones who might want to give this some long hard thought. The Dems will never accept them, they would just use their quotes against everyone.


29 posted on 01/09/2016 1:11:49 PM PST by A_Former_Democrat (If you're "offended" by "Merry Christmas" then you have much bigger issues)
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To: Mariner

I would say there are three major factions: The Establishment Wing (Country Clubbers), The Trump Wing, The Conservative Wing

While there is some intermixing, some who try to have a say in more than one wing, those 3 define different fundamental principles and priorities.


30 posted on 01/09/2016 1:12:51 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Mariner
When the first line is fundamentally wrong, should I be bothered to read any further?

The Republican Party is facing a historic split over its fundamental principles and identity ...

The Republican party has no "fundamental principles and identity" ... There may be individual Republicans, mostly recently elected, and hated by the GOP Establishment, that do have "fundamental principles", but the Republican Party itself, the establishment Republicans, absolutely do not. And that is their fundamental problem.

31 posted on 01/09/2016 1:14:10 PM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: Mariner

For Republicans, Mounting Fears of Lasting Split...

Too bad/too late. The GOP split away from their voters already. The rise of Trump and Cruz is the natural consequence of that split.


32 posted on 01/09/2016 1:17:45 PM PST by drierice
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To: Mariner
At family dinners and New Year’s parties, in conference calls and at private lunches, longtime Republicans are expressing a growing fear that the coming election could be shattering for the party, or reshape it in ways that leave it unrecognizable.

Yea, winners.
33 posted on 01/09/2016 1:20:35 PM PST by Vision (Obama is not a well man.)
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To: Mariner
This is the sentence that caught my attention.

The divide was evident at a recent Greenville, S.C., gathering of bankers and lawyers, reliable Republicans who shared tea and pastries...

Had it said "beer and bratwurst" I would have taken it seriously. "Tea and pastries" tells me everything I need to know about these people. They aren't us.

34 posted on 01/09/2016 1:20:39 PM PST by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
"The Trump Wing"

In your assessment, what are the Characteristics of the Trump wing...politically? (Not the typical dumb, rude, liberal etc.)

Are there POLICY differences? Will they be able to garner a majority of GOP primary voters and/or majority in the General?

35 posted on 01/09/2016 1:20:41 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18 - Be The Leaderless Resistance)
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To: Mariner

Amazing people still believe in the two-party false dichotomy.


36 posted on 01/09/2016 1:20:47 PM PST by Mr. M.J.B.
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To: Mariner
The Republican Party is facing a historic split over its fundamental principles and identity, as its once powerful establishment grapples with an eruption of class tensions, ethnic resentments and mistrust among working-class conservatives who are demanding a presidential nominee who represents their interests.

Normal people dislike those trying to kill them or take them over. Granted, the NY Times are run by freaks.
37 posted on 01/09/2016 1:23:02 PM PST by Vision (Obama is not a well man.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

The UNIPARTERIANS say that like it is a bad thing. I look forward to their demise.


38 posted on 01/09/2016 1:23:50 PM PST by TADSLOS (A Ted Cruz Happy Warrior! GO TED!)
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To: tet68

The craziest part of where we are right now is that Trump is really exactly what the establishment has continually tried to push on us, a moderate that even Democrats like, and yet they hate him. What this reveals is that they never stood for principles of any sort. They are for their own power and control. They want someone they can control.

The other crazy part is that Trump is exactly what conservatives have said they don’t want, a moderate/social liberal, and yet they love him. This reveals that power is what they mostly want, too.

The Establishment faction and The Trump faction both try to paint the Constitutionally conservative faction as too small to win. Yet they attach themselves to fringe elements in the name of being “big tent” and/or cede long held values as “extreme” just as the left does, even though in the only real polling (done at ballot boxes) majorities still support those traditional Judeo-Christian values.

No one seems to see that a politician needs to have Constitutionally sound principles and the ability to articulate and educate, so as to persuade the public because understanding is not inherited. You have to teach it to each generation. Instead polls are taken and white flags waved everywhere necessary so long as the next poll says you are on your way to grabbing power.


39 posted on 01/09/2016 1:24:11 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Mariner

The GOP is worried about conservatives in the same way the lunch money stealing bully worries about losing his victims at the end of the school year.


40 posted on 01/09/2016 1:24:42 PM PST by Iron Munro (The wise have stores of choice food and oil but a foolish man devours all he has. Proverbs 21:20)
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