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We should definitely challenge Ted Cruz's citizenship if he is elected president
Hot Air.com ^ | November 28, 2015 | JAZZ SHAW

Posted on 11/28/2015 8:27:12 AM PST by Kaslin

Texas Senator Ted Cruz has been rising in the polls of late, not only in Iowa, but nationally as well. (And high time, if you ask me.) It’s far too soon to declare him a resident of the top tier aside Trump with so few samples, but the prospect of his being a serious contender for the nomination can’t be discounted. And if he wins the Party’s endorsement, he may be in fine shape to take on Hillary Clinton and then be sworn in as the 45th President of the United States. So then what?

Well, at least according to Alan Grayson, we should file a beautiful lawsuit to challenge his qualifications to hold the office. (Mediaite)

Florida Congressman Alan Grayson told radio host Alan Colmes Wednesday that if Ted Cruz is elected president, he "will file that beautiful lawsuit saying that he's unqualified for the job" according to the Constitution.

Cruz was born in Canada to a native-born American mother, making the presidential candidate a dual Canadian-American citizen. It was not until a 2013 Dallas Morning News article that Cruz acknowledged his Canadian citizenry publicly. In 2014, the senator renounced his Canadian citizenship altogether.

Lamenting the "appalling choices" Republicans have to choose among, Grayson told Colmes the Republican race "resolved itself into this weird reality show."

Even if Grayson is just grousing and looking for a way to throw darts at Cruz, I think this is a great idea and we should absolutely move forward with it in the event that Ted Cruz is elected. In fact, it should start the day after he’s sworn in because this would no doubt take quite a while. I don’t say this because I have any doubt that Cruz would qualify under our current interpretation of the law.. he would. Under Title 8 rules we have what is currently a broadly accepted definition who who qualifies as a natural citizen at the time of their birth as opposed to someone who is naturalized. Cruz would most likely qualify under section (e) but most certainly under section (g)

a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years

There’s just one problem with deciding that Cruz is qualified based on that snippet of legislation: it’s never been challenged all the way up through the courts and this issue keeps coming up over and over again. I’m not even talking about Barack Obama here; you may recall that Congress actually had to go to the trouble of passing a resolution in 2008 stating that John McCain was a natural born citizen. (McCain was born in Panama to a military family on assignment and his parents were citizens.)

So why not just pass another amendment like that for Ted Cruz? Because it doesn’t solve anything. The phrase natural born citizen is essentially unique in the writings of the Founders and they didn’t do a very good job of explaining themselves. If we had a ruling from the Supremes to put into the books not just on Ted Cruz in particular, but on the exact meaning of the phrase we could be done with this once and for all. It seems self evident that the Founders drew a clear distinction between two types of citizens; natural born and naturalized. Cruz, like McCain, never went through the naturalization process since it was always assumed they were citizens at the time of their birth, so they are either natural born citizens or they’re illegal aliens.

No matter how often we scratch our heads over the various rulings handed down from the Supremes these days, I can’t see where we lose on this one. Let them nail this thing down once and for all so we can be done with it without having to go through another constitutional amendment. It won’t affect President Cruz one bit and we can spare future generations all of this nonsense.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: alangrayson; citizens; johnmccain; leftwinglunatic; naturalborncitizen; tedcruz
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To: RummyChick

Nguyen is the case. Spelling may be off. There is a site where you can actually listen to the oral argument. It should be required listening for anyone who claims they know the law is settled or those that claim they know how Scotus would rule.


61 posted on 11/28/2015 10:15:55 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: Kaslin
Barack Hussein Obama, Sr was never a US Citizen. He was a British citizen, because Kenya was a British colony at the time

That is your opinion, not a fact. Obama is in the WH and holds a US passport. He has never been naturalized. Even if born in Kenya, his mother was a US citizen. And the state of Hawaii says he we was born there.

Ted Cruz was born in Canada and was a Canadian at birth. His mother was an American but his father was Cuban who became naturalized in 2005. The Cruz situation is not that much different than Obama.

Every president to date was either a citizen at the adoption of the Constitution in 1789 or born in the United States; of those in the latter group, every president except two (Chester A. Arthur and Barack Obama) had two U.S.-citizen parents. Both were controversial at the time. Cruz will invoke a similar controversy, which is why we need SCOTUS to adjudicate it now.

62 posted on 11/28/2015 10:16:18 AM PST by kabar
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To: Marcella
Being a constitutional expert, he knew he was a natural born American citizen.

He should have known that the courts have never defined what constitutes a "natural born citizen" under the eligibility for President as specified in the Constution. It needs to be adjudicated.

63 posted on 11/28/2015 10:18:31 AM PST by kabar
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To: jpsb

My grandson was born in London to an American father and an English mother. Son went to US consulate that day to register his son’s birth as an American natural born citizen and a US citizen passport was issued to my grandson that day. His mother also registered his birth as a British citizen that day. When grandson comes to this country, he gets in the US citizen line for entry just like all other US citizens.


64 posted on 11/28/2015 10:22:32 AM PST by Marcella (CRUZ (Prepping can save your life today.))
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To: cripplecreek
"He also once claimed Cruz wasn't eligible and later said Cruz was eligible."

I remember when he questioned Cruz's citizenship and would bet if Cruz's numbers start reaching Trump's, Trump will bring up the citizenship again even though he knows Cruz is eligible - truth has a hard time being in Trump's mouth when he wants to try to cut someone down.

65 posted on 11/28/2015 10:30:29 AM PST by Marcella (CRUZ (Prepping can save your life today.))
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To: kabar

Yes his mother was a a natural born US Citizen. No one is denying that, but his father wasn’t.


66 posted on 11/28/2015 10:33:00 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: kabar

It seems so clear to me. There are two types of citizens, natural born (born in the United States) and naturalized (those not born in the United States.) Ted Cruz is not natural born.

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of
the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall
any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five
Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction
thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State
shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens
of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property,
without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.


67 posted on 11/28/2015 10:33:43 AM PST by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
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To: kabar
Supposedly this [booklet stating Obama born in Kenya]was produced by the publicist for his book.

If that's true the 0bomb had to approve it so, in my opinion, it's as if he issued it.

68 posted on 11/28/2015 10:36:31 AM PST by luvbach1 (We are finished. It will just take a while before everyone realizes it.)
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To: Marcella

Funny thing is that his number 1 fangirl Ann Coulter once said ‘birthers’ were nutjob conspiracy theorists but now she says Cruz is ineligible.


69 posted on 11/28/2015 10:38:28 AM PST by cripplecreek (Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.)
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To: Lurkinanloomin
Chester Arthur (R)
Barry Soetoro (D)

It's the R's turn.

70 posted on 11/28/2015 10:45:10 AM PST by ASA Vet (Trump is the only candidate since Reagan that I have actually WANTED to vote for.)
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To: ontap

Easy. One is a Democrat so must be defended by the media and everyone else, the other is a Republican who must be challenged by that same media and everyone else.


71 posted on 11/28/2015 10:50:01 AM PST by GeorgiaDawg32 (www.greenhornshooting.com - Professional handgun training.)
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To: jpsb
Both my son and daughter were born in 1963(son) and 1970 (daughter) in Germany in same US Army hospital. We had to register our children at the American Consulate in Munich when they were six weeks old.

My husband was stationed 3 different times in Germany. The first time from December 1961 to September 1966. The second time from September 1968 to December 1970 and the third time from August 1977 to May 31, 1979, I became a naturalized US Citizen on June 12, 1977 in Junction City KS.

72 posted on 11/28/2015 11:01:35 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

Most Democrats are a little crazy; Grayson is certifiable.

Liberalism is a mental disorder.


73 posted on 11/28/2015 11:01:41 AM PST by TBP (Nous sommes tout Francais.)
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To: cripplecreek
"Funny thing is that his number 1 fangirl Ann Coulter once said "birthers" were nutjob conspiracy theorists but now she says Cruz is ineligible."

Ann Coulter used to make sense, but I think her effort to keep selling new books, has caused her to go nuts - say the wildest things she can think of to sell another book.

74 posted on 11/28/2015 11:03:37 AM PST by Marcella (CRUZ (Prepping can save your life today.))
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To: Kaslin

Yes, I had to register my son also after his birth at Landstuhl. He was issued a German birth certificate at birth.


75 posted on 11/28/2015 11:10:08 AM PST by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
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To: kabar

True.

One thing that this Grayson creature does is to bring out a point that a lawsuit IS possible. This was a thing that was mentioned by none other than Darrel Issa when he tried to assist a bunch of Dems to pass a bill in 2004 allowing for foreign born, naturalized or adopted by US citizens from a foreign country, to be considered eligible to qualify as presidential candidates.
From a blog post I did:
“Lets not forget Issa. His is a softer, more reasoned approach. Pay close attention to the mention of such a statute being tried before the SCOTUS, if the Constitution is not AMENDED instead of this being passed as a law. Also note the mention of McCain - in 2004 - this again is a reveal of intent. pg. 13 & 14” The proposed bill was called, “Maximizing voter choice”. http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=pur1.32754077957292;view=1up;seq=5

It is supposed that Issa joined with this effort in order to aid Schwarzenegger in a presidential run. All of this crap to scrap the natural-born requirement really began back with Rommneys father.


76 posted on 11/28/2015 12:58:34 PM PST by Ladysforest
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To: Marcella

My son was born in 1963 in Germany in an American military hospital. When he was six weeks old we took him to the American Consulate in Munich, Germany to get him registered. He received an American birth certificate and also an American Passport. The same thing also was true for our daughter who was born in the same same hospital in 1970. We took her to the American Consulate in Munich to get her registered. She received her American birth certificate and her American Passport.


77 posted on 11/28/2015 1:07:49 PM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

Sounds like cut and dried support for deportation of illegal immigrants.


78 posted on 11/28/2015 1:16:27 PM PST by polymuser ( Enough is enough)
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To: Duchess47
At the time of his birth one parent was not an American citizen. Also there was doubt that he himself was born in the US and not Canada.

So what? I wasn't a US Citizen either when my son was born in Germany in March of 1963 and my daughter in 1970. My husband registered them both with the American Consulate in Munich, Germany when they were 6 weeks old. Both were born in the same US Army hospital, which means they were born on US soil.

You don't really think they would have gotten American birth certificates and American Passports issued if they had not qualified? Get real and stop it with the birther nonesense.

79 posted on 11/28/2015 1:23:33 PM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

...Get real and stop it with the birther nonesense...

This is not nonsense. Can’t you understand, there are TWO types of American citizens.

1. Natural born citizens. Born on American soil of two American parents.

2. Naturalized citizens. NATURALIZED CITIZEN. One who, being born an alien, has lawfully become a citizen of the United States Under the constitution and laws.
2. He has all the rights of a natural born citizen, except that of being eligible as president or vice-president of the United States. In foreign countries he has a right to be treated as such, and will be so considered even in the country of his birth, at least for most purposes. 1 Bos. & P. 430. See Citizen; Domicil; Inhabitant. http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Naturalized+citizen

Now, naturalized citizen laws have been so bastardized, twisted and tweeked by various people and groups to make their group, their guy, their whatever, a natural born citizen but that does not make it so. This is what has brought us anchor babies and Obama.


80 posted on 11/28/2015 1:32:38 PM PST by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
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