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The Autowende Is Here: Electric Cars Are The Next Trillion Dollar Industry
http://cleantechnica.com/2015/11/24/the-autowende-is-here-electric-cars-are-the-next-trillion-dollar-industry/ ^ | November 24th, 201 | Michiel Langezaal

Posted on 11/25/2015 5:07:47 AM PST by thackney

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To: thackney

No thanks.


41 posted on 11/25/2015 5:49:11 AM PST by exnavy (good gun control: two hands, one shot, one kill.)
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To: thackney

Maybe they can record a sports car’s engine.... and then put speakers in the back where the tail pipe would be.


42 posted on 11/25/2015 5:50:48 AM PST by kjam22
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To: thackney

The plan is to limit travel. I have to go to Bismark, ND today. That is a 300 mile round trip with about an additional 75 miles travel in and around Bismark. It is 24 degrees and snowing. Lets get the old Tesla or Leaf or what ever out and turn the heater on, defrost the windows and roll.... electricity?????


43 posted on 11/25/2015 5:53:31 AM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: thackney

Kinda like ethanol.

Its great if you ignore the cost of preparing fields, planting, tending, harvesting, and transporting corn. That’s before taking distillation costs into account.


44 posted on 11/25/2015 5:55:10 AM PST by cripplecreek (Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.)
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To: wjcsux

Don’t you just love Government. They don’t have any money, but due to the generosity of the American people, they have enough to make things happen.

...and we are left empty handed, and with the unintended consequences.


45 posted on 11/25/2015 5:55:32 AM PST by wita
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To: kjam22

If I had an electric car, I would want the sound effects of a top fuel dragster for acceleration, but a steam locomotive for cruising.

Decades ago in Zermatt, Switzerland, they required all electric for vehicles due to the smog in the closed valley. After hitting many pedestrians with electric cars and buses none heard coming, they added the requirement of sleigh bells.


46 posted on 11/25/2015 5:55:50 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: from occupied ga
You can blow all sorts of pink smoke all over electric cars and fill the public's ears with bullsh!t, but the inescapable facts remain that the batteries do not have the capacity to do anything except short commuter runs, and that they take a long time to recharge.

I have a cordless electric string trimmer with a NiCad battery. It's the most fantastic thing in the world. It starts at the touch of a button; it runs completely clean and virtually without noise. There's only one thing wrong with it, and that is, it doesn't work. Apart from that, I love it.

47 posted on 11/25/2015 5:56:20 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: thackney

Sleigh bells??? Lol. I have a Corvette. It sounds pretty nice to me :)


48 posted on 11/25/2015 5:58:19 AM PST by kjam22
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To: thackney

Where’s that thread and article (WaPo?) from yesterday about how the Netherlands is having to build multiple new coal-fired electrical plants to keep up with the demands of EVs?


49 posted on 11/25/2015 5:59:50 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: kjam22

The “noise” was pretty cool for us tourists visiting during the Ski Season.

There were several horse drawn sleighs also working as shuttles.

But the city electric buses had horse collars mounted on the sides with bells.


50 posted on 11/25/2015 6:04:07 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: tanknetter

Electric cars and the coal that runs them
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/electric-cars-and-the-coal-that-runs-them/2015/11/23/74869240-734b-11e5-ba14-318f8e87a2fc_story.html


51 posted on 11/25/2015 6:04:52 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

I can see how that would work in certain situations.... :)


52 posted on 11/25/2015 6:07:25 AM PST by kjam22
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To: thackney

Awesome, thats it! Thanks!


53 posted on 11/25/2015 6:07:27 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

I was intrigued by the propane fueled weed whackers that were on the market a few years back. No mixing fuel for the 2-stroke motors, no carb issues from the ethanol content.

But they disappeared pretty quickly, looked like from reliability issues.

There’s a lot of good stuff coming out of green tech. But building it and buying it just for the sake of being “green” is a nonstarter.


54 posted on 11/25/2015 6:12:44 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: Fai Mao
Fuel cells will do to electric cars batteries what downloads did to music CD's

Fuel cell cars are still electric cars. Of course large scale hydrogen production and storage has its own problems.

55 posted on 11/25/2015 6:13:45 AM PST by Moltke
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Yep, for the holidays I’m going to do a round trip from Boston to Chicago. There isn’t an electrically powered vehicle existent (or on the drawing boards) that would do that in under 4 days. Oh yeah, it’s cold so I want to run the heater.


56 posted on 11/25/2015 6:18:23 AM PST by glorgau
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To: from occupied ga

“Dunno what the author was smoking, but I don’t want any. Someone this delusional may never go back to reality.”

Well, I’m an IC engine guy, and I live over the hill to the east of the Tesla Plant. Where I live, there are a lot of Tesla’s, and with 200-300 mile range, they are an excellent executive “commute” vehicle with the Silicon Valley less than 40 miles away, so they do make a lot of sense in this environment. And from a fit and finish standpoint, they make German “luxury cars” look like crap. As some have pointed out though, the real issue is the availability of “clean” electric power. If we had stayed with nuclear energy generation, electic cars wouid make a whole lot more sense. As it stands they are about as polluting and “energy efficient” as IC engined cars today.


57 posted on 11/25/2015 6:20:23 AM PST by vette6387
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To: Fai Mao
"Fuel cells will do to electric cars what downloads did to music CD’s"

There's nothing like having all the power of Apollo 13 under the hood of your car!

58 posted on 11/25/2015 6:21:15 AM PST by norwaypinesavage (The Stone Age did not end because we ran out of stones)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

* And cold weather in the Northeast and Midwest severely limits battery capacity and performance (See this Consumer Reports article —http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2013/02/winter-chills-limit-range-of-the-tesla-model-s-electric-car/index.htm — only 176 miles on a full charge in 45 degree weather! Heaven knows the range at 10 degrees.)

* And, of course, in a traditional coal plant,
only about 35% (45% in “supercritical” coal plants) of the energy in the coal ends up as electricity at the other end of the generator, minus 6% in distribution and transmission losses to get to the plug in a Tesla Supercharger station.

In other words, there is no global environmental benefit to electric cars — although an electric car would reduce smog in Southern California. And startup torque is nice.


59 posted on 11/25/2015 6:21:53 AM PST by qwertyz
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To: wrench

Yes - this is the giant elephant in the room that eco-idiots so well work to hide.

But it’s the truth.

Give up my Porsche Cayman S? Same time I give up my two guns......... ;-)


60 posted on 11/25/2015 6:22:28 AM PST by Arlis ( A "Sacred Cow" Tipping Christian)
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