Posted on 11/24/2015 1:01:15 PM PST by servo1969
Full Title: Turks Shoot Down Archduke Ferdinand's Jet as Obama's Abandonment of Iraq Causes More Pain in the Mideast
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RUSH: Did you see where Turkey shot down a military jet of Archduke Ferdinand? Archduke Ferdinand's military jet shot down over... (interruption) It's just my way of saying what everybody thinks. You know, it is amazing to me, it really is... How? I don't know, what's the word? Unified? So you have Turkey shoots down a Russian jet, and you look at one place, you look at a hundred places and they say, "This is exactly how World War I started. Oh, my God! Oh, my God! World War I! Oh, no!" And it becomes universal. And it may be. I mean, Putin is saying there's gonna be payback. He feels like he's been stabbed in the back here.
But it's not just they shot down the warplane. Whoever did the shooting then shot down the two pilots in the air as they were parachuting out. And then they shot the rescue helicopter, the Russian rescue helicopter. And they videotaped all this and over the downed pilots and the downed helicopter wreckage you hear them shouting "Allahu Akbar," God is great. Meanwhile, everybody's keeping an eye on Iran here, 'cause they're the ones running the show on all of this.
I mean, who knows what's gonna happen, but it has a lot of people on edge. (interruption) Well, yes, if Russia attacks Turkey, we have to join Turkey against Russia and Putin because Turkey is a NATO partner, and there is a pledge among NATO members that if one of them is attacked, the others band together and defend them. (interruption) Well, the only others are us. And so that would then pit us against Russia in defense of Turkey, which is helping ISIS.
This is a mess. This is a total mess. And it's not hard to pinpoint why. But if I were to say it, I would be accused of the same thing I'm accusing all these Drive-Bys of, drawing this comparison. Well, if Obama was providing standard, ordinary, expected American leadership in the last seven years, we wouldn't even be here. There wouldn't even be an ISIS. There wouldn't be an Iran ascending to run the entire Middle East because they wouldn't have been enabled to create a military weapons program. None of this would have happened it's safe to say if anybody else had been elected president.
Now, if Hillary had won the Democrat nomination, I don't know. But we're dealing with a dangerous set of circumstances. On the one hand we've got leadership incompetence, or maybe leadership absence on the part of Obama. It's just not something he wants to do. And, by the way, don't get on me. It was Obama who said it last week at that press conference he had in Turkey where he said he's not into sloganeering and these concepts of American leadership and American victory, winning. Those are things that make him uncomfortable. It's not what this is really all about.
You can interpret that in any number of ways, but one thing, he doesn't want to lead, he doesn't want the US in a leadership or dominant position. And the reasons for that are multi. He doesn't think that we deserve it. We are not the world's superpower. We're illegitimate. You know the drill. What my opinion of Obama's opinion of the United States is. So a lot of people are understandably worried about what comes next because this is Vladimir Putin who has been attacked, and Putin is interested in winning, and Putin is interested in Russian leadership, and Putin does want to be allied with whoever ends up running the Middle East. Winning and victory and leadership are not concepts that Putin finds nervous or embarrassing. He finds them challenging. So this could go any number of places. We just have to sit and watch, see how it plays out.
Meanwhile, Francois Hollande is in Washington, arrived this morning, had a little meeting with Obama next to the fireplace in the Oval Office and now a joint press conference is taking place. We're not gonna JIP it. Whatever happens or is said there, we'll have it when it is over. But basically the news was that Hollande came here asking Obama for help in dealing with the aftermath of the attacks in Paris a couple of Fridays ago. And it's a standard, ordinary thing. You know, a country gets hit, where do you go? You go to the US. You go to America for help. You go to America for backup. You go to America for leadership.
Well, he's here seeking all of that, but he's not gonna get it. He's not gonna get it in the traditional ways of America, because Obama doesn't look at the US as the solution to these problems. In many ways, Obama thinks we are the cause, and in this case he's right. There was no ISIS before he became president. Obama basically abrogating Iraq, opened all of this up. And then all those phony red lines for Assad not to cross with no action taken when Assad crossed them. Benghazi, Libya, I mean, we invested in the Muslim Brotherhood, and we ended up losing an ally in Egypt, Libya. We had a dictator in Libya but he was outside of Libya, he was not posing a threat to anybody.
Now it's just everything's up in arms, everything's turned upside down. And Turkey, thought to be an ally of ours, is presenting a serious challenge. In the meantime, there's an intelligence controversy involving CENTCOM and Obama. And when I get to that portion of the program and explain it, you will see that it is a classic implementation of the Limbaugh Theorem. And if you are new to the program and are unaware of the Limbaugh Theorem, let me briefly explain it. The Limbaugh Theorem was developed, devised by a frustrated radio host named Rush Limbaugh to try to explain why it is that Barack Obama is never held accountable for all of the mistakes that he makes. Be it bad policy, be it bad legislation, be it, whatever.
People that vote for Barack Obama do not blame him for the economy. How does that happen? People that voted for Barack Obama to unify the world and make it a safe place, the United States loved again, the exact opposite has happened. People who vote for Obama do not blame him. Why? And that's what the Limbaugh Theorem sought to explain and does explain.
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RUSH: A reporterette stood up and asked Obama about the Turks shooting down the Russian warplane. By the way, don't forget, the Russians just lost a civilian airliner, too. Somebody shot down one of their civilian jets, ISIS taking the credit. The two pilots of their warplane here -- and, by the way, it was an American F-16 that did the damage. An American F-16 not owned by us; we sold it. An American F-16 shot down the Russian warplane and then the two pilots ejected. There's video. The UK Daily Mail has the most incredible video and pictures of this you've ever seen. The two pilots parachute out, and ISIS claims that they killed them in the air, gunned them down while they were floating to earth in their parachutes.
Then a Russian helicopter made its way to the crash site looking for the survivors, and they took the helicopter out. Putin has just got to be steaming here. So, anyway, this reporterette stands up and asks Obama what it all means. And he said (paraphrasing), "Well, we don't yet know what really happened. We're still getting all the details, but I'll tell you what, it's a very important thing, we're going to look into it. I'm gonna be talking to the Turkish prime minister, president, the head honcho there, gonna be talking to him in a few days." And then he said he really hopes that the Russians and the Turks will sit down and keep talking to one another, looking for common ground as they continue to dialogue with each other.
So conflict resolution 101 has been requested by the president. This is -- I don't know. Always fascinates me the way the left responds. Remember, this is a world governed by the aggressive use of force. That may offend people. It may scare you. You might even think that it's nutty and crazy. You are dangerously wrong if you believe that. I don't care whether you like it or not, whether you want it to be true or not, or you wish it weren't true. It is true. It has always been true, and it always will be true. It is because of the essence of human nature. Ours is a world governed by the aggressive use of force and we see it every day. And we see what happens to people that do not respond.
The aggressor always sets the rules in any conflict. It's not just the use of force that governs the world. The aggressive use of force. That is a key component of my theorem, the aggressive use of force. When you add that to it you're establishing offense and defense, and that's where we are. We're clearly on the defensive in all of this. We're not being aggressive about anything, purposefully. It is the new administration Regime policy. That's the new America. Bystander to the extent that we can say it's not our fault. If it is our fault, then we apologize and Obama has a track record of that as well. But Vladimir Putin, I will guarantee you, understands, believes, and practices the belief, the theory that ours is a world governed by the aggressive use of force.
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then let’s make it a non nato country. Once the country finds out that they yelled that stupid gibberish after shooting down people in parachutes they will turn on Obama I hope God knows I will
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5niBipyUi8
This will get out of control and we will be lucky to live through it.
Time for the Russians (and/or Syrians) to shoot down Turkish planes that violate Syrian airspace when the Turks bomb the Kurds who are the only effective ground force battling ISIS. I would not shed a tear at the deaths of these Turkish pilots who are killing the Kurds.
No kidding. The U.S. has been attacked numerous times in recent years. What has Turkey done to help the situation?
Good monologue by Limbaugh.
Obama, Hillary, and gang have created HUGE messes domestically and internationally. Not one thing in the world has been made better by their presence. Obama WASN’T right about the JV team. He and his minions could never rise to that high of a level. But they are supremo at effing things up.
I think that’s a very reasonable response, actually. Will serve the Turks right.
Frankly, I’m all for a Russian SCUD or cruise missile salvo plastering the nearest Turkish airbase. But that’s just the frustration in me talking.
I think that’s a very reasonable response, actually. Will serve the Turks right.
Frankly, I’m all for a Russian SCUD or cruise missile salvo plastering the nearest Turkish airbase. But that’s just the frustration in me talking.
A comment on another site referenced a BBC article from 2012 on the Syrians shooting down a Turkish F-4, allegedly on a training mission.
"A short-term border violation can never be a pretext for an attack," [Erdogan] said.
A tactical nuclear weapon (or TNW) also known as non-strategic nuclear weapon[1] refers to a nuclear weapon which is designed to be used on a battlefield in military situations. This is opposed to strategic nuclear weapons which are designed to be used against enemy cities, factories, and other larger-area targets to damage the enemy’s ability to wage war. Tactical nuclear weapons were a large part of the peak nuclear weapons stockpile levels during the Cold War.
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Other new tactical weapons undergoing research include earth penetrating weapons which are designed to target enemy-held caves or deep-underground bunkers.
There is no precise definition of the “tactical” category, neither considering range nor yield of the nuclear weapon.[2][3] The yield of tactical nuclear weapons is generally lower than that of strategic nuclear weapons, but larger ones are still very powerful, and some variable-yield warheads serve in both roles. Modern tactical nuclear warheads have yields up to the tens of kilotons, or potentially hundreds, several times that of the weapons used in the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Some tactical nuclear weapons have specific features meant to enhance their battlefield characteristics, such as variable yield which allow their explosive power to be varied over a wide range for different situations, or enhanced radiation weapons (the so-called “neutron bombs”) which are meant to maximize ionizing radiation exposure while minimizing blast effects.
“A short-term border violation can never be a pretext for an attack,” [Erdogan] said.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Pueblo_(AGER-2)
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