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Mika: Ben Carson 'Doesn't Sound Completely Connected With Everything'
NewsBusters ^ | Mark Finkelstein

Posted on 11/12/2015 4:45:22 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest

On today's Morning Joe, Mika Brzezinski said of Ben Carson "I want to be very careful with my words, but he just doesn't sound completely connected with everything."

Judging from her halting cadence, Mika clearly seemed to realize that she was treading on some very controversial mental-health ground. The lead-in to her "connected" comment was her observation "he tried to kill his mother for God's sake! . . . we have been listening to this man talk in a flat monotone tone about taking a hammer to his mother's head."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bencarson; carson; debates; disconnect; elections; mikabrzezinski; morningjoe; offhisrocker
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To: FiddlePig

‘we need a moral leader’

How is Carson a moral leader? The only example I’m aware of is that he critized Obama. That was a refreshing moment, but leadership entails more than criticism.


21 posted on 11/12/2015 5:31:53 AM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with ptfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Neither do you Mika, Neither do you.


22 posted on 11/12/2015 5:35:18 AM PST by CPT Clay (Hillary: Julius and Ethal Rosenberg were electrocuted for selling classified info.)
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To: Fantasywriter

I’m not seeing any great moments in leadership from him either. He can make a cute joke at the debate, but was really out of his league.


23 posted on 11/12/2015 5:44:20 AM PST by proust (Texan for Trump!)
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To: proust

Agree with you entirely. I am baffled by some of the accolades Carson garners. Yesterday a poster said Carson’s strong suit is “ethical conservatism.” I asked for examples. Crickets. For a guy who has such fierce defenders, Carson seems remarkably thin in the ‘ethical conservative leadership’ department.


24 posted on 11/12/2015 5:54:18 AM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with ptfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fantasywriter

I wonder how deep or committed Ben’s actual support is. For all the debate polls such as Drudge and Time, Ben does very poorly. Understanding full well these are not scientific, nonetheless, nobody votes for Ben. By contrast, Trump supporters are out there in every online poll voting in large numbers. So at minimum, there is a core level of Trump supporters that will most likely vote for him in the primaries. Perhaps Carson’s supporters are older, less technology dependent or just don’t care about online polls, but his lack of support there is instructive as well. But just maybe, there really isn’t any support for Ben besides agreeing that he seems like a nice guy and a good way to answer a poll question.


25 posted on 11/12/2015 6:10:26 AM PST by usafa92 (Conservative in Jersey)
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To: usafa92

GMTA. Sundance, at the Conservative Treehouse, wrote a fascinating article about this yesterday. Carson’s campaign manager was boasting about how dominant Carson was in social media after the debate. Sundance said just what you said—then why didn’t Carson show better in online poles?

Sundance thinks there’s some astroturfing going on. I wouldn’t be surprised.


26 posted on 11/12/2015 6:20:19 AM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with ptfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
I have three friends who are surgeons. Let me say this.... from knowing them I'd say anyone who routinely cuts into peoples skulls, or guts, or their chest or whatever.... I mean people that dissect and cut on others for a living are DEFINITELY wired different than the rest of us.
27 posted on 11/12/2015 6:21:12 AM PST by kjam22
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

The media attacks on him are based basically on his autobiography which was written long before he had any interest in politics. His point apparently was that, until he found God, he was a lost soul. That afterward, his life turned around and he became a rather renowned doctor.

The claim that he was never offered a scholarship at West Point doesn’t come from any great journalistic investigation, it comes from his biography where he says he did not apply. He was told by army folks that, based on his ROTC record he could get an appointment to the academy if he wanted it, but he didn’t want it. He states clearly he only applied at one college, and thats the one he went to.

When Mika finds the Lord she’ll understand what he was trying in his biography to tell her.


28 posted on 11/12/2015 6:22:57 AM PST by marron
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To: HarleyLady27

He didn’t announce it right now. It came from his autobiography published a while back. The lamestream media is just now finally getting around to dissecting it. It is within those pages that Carson recounts where he has come from to where he is now. The West Point scholarship and things coming out about his past are all from his autobiography.


29 posted on 11/12/2015 6:31:10 AM PST by zaxtres
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To: zaxtres
Then from what your saying is he lied about his life...therefore what I said: patholicial problems...if these didn't happen they why say them? Same as lying isn't it?
30 posted on 11/12/2015 6:34:13 AM PST by HarleyLady27 (I have such happy days, I hope you do too!!!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest; al baby; Albion Wilde; Allegra; BufordP; EveningStar; Gefn; GunsareOK; ...

If Carson were still insane in the membrane, would he have been a neurosurgeon?

DANG!

31 posted on 11/12/2015 6:34:19 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Democrats and GOP-e: a difference of degree, not philosophy)
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To: marron; zaxtres

If the biography was sole source of info, you would both be right. Unbeknownst to many, Carson also wrote about the slot he was offered directly from West point three months ago on his Facebook page.


32 posted on 11/12/2015 6:47:33 AM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with ptfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
we have been listening to this man talk in a flat monotone tone about taking a hammer to his mother's head."

Maybe he should write a piano line for Clapton.

33 posted on 11/12/2015 6:48:54 AM PST by rawcatslyentist (Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed,)
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To: McGruff

Yeah, she’s a goof, but she’s right about this.


34 posted on 11/12/2015 8:01:30 AM PST by skimbell
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To: Lazamataz

35 posted on 11/12/2015 8:09:24 AM PST by frankenMonkey
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

we must never under nor over estimate .......the intellects of those in the “media”


36 posted on 11/12/2015 8:40:59 AM PST by MeshugeMikey ("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill ><> GO CRUZ!!!!)
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To: Lazamataz

LOL!


37 posted on 11/12/2015 8:44:56 AM PST by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: HarleyLady27
Then from what your saying is he lied about his life...therefore what I said: patholicial problems...if these didn't happen they why say them? Same as lying isn't it?

I'd just like to point out to you that I know the Doctor personally and your remarks are mistaken and unnecessary. Your candidate Mr. Trump can win on his own merits. No need to tear down a good Christian man over his decades-old story of how angry he was before he came to God as a teenager. He did not "announce" those stories about his anger; they came from his autobiography in the 1990s, and were just recently dug up to try to discredit him. Please make the effort to understand the timeline and quit defaming this good person.

You surely must be aware by now how committed I am to Trump's candidacy and how many hours of effort I put into it every single day. I have no reason to defend Carson other than to tell you the truth. Bless you, HarleyLady27.

38 posted on 11/12/2015 9:54:37 AM PST by Albion Wilde (If you can't make a deal with a politician, you can't make a deal. --Donald Trump)
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To: Albion Wilde

Then why is he saying all these thing? PATHOLICAL IS WHAT HE IS:

Defining characteristics of pathological lying include:
The stories told are usually dazzling or fantastical, but never breach the limits of plausibility, which is key to the pathological liar’s tact. The tales are not a manifestation of delusion or some broader type of psychosis; upon confrontation, the teller can admit them to be untrue, even if unwillingly.
The fabricative tendency is chronic; it is not provoked by the immediate situation or social pressure so much as it is an innate trait of the personality. There is some element of dyscontrol present.
A definitely internal, not an external, motive for the behavior can be discerned clinically: e.g., long-lasting extortion or habitual spousal battery might cause a person to lie repeatedly, without the lying being a pathological symptom.[2]
The stories told tend toward presenting the liar favorably. The liar “decorates their own person”[3] by telling stories that present them as the hero or the victim. For example, the person might be presented as being fantastically brave, as knowing or being related to many famous people, or as having great power, position, or wealth.

Pathological lying may also present as false memory syndrome, where the sufferer genuinely believes that fictitious (imagined) events have taken place. The sufferer may believe that he or she has accomplished superhuman feats or awe-inspiring acts of altruism and love — or has committed equally grandiose acts of diabolical evil, for which the sufferer must atone, or indeed has already atoned in her/his fantasies.


39 posted on 11/12/2015 9:59:37 AM PST by HarleyLady27 (I have such happy days, I hope you do too!!!)
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To: HarleyLady27
Then why is he saying all these thing?

He is not "saying all these thing" [sic]. He WROTE those things almost twenty years ago to illustrate how the Lord led him out of a life that contained such rage-filled moments. Now he is forced to try to explain what he meant to non-Christians who have no conception of what it is to renounce sin and make a change of heart.

Please understand that it does not help Trump to continue to badmouth someone where you are demonstrating a deliberate refusal to understand the timeline and sequence of events.

For you to then post an unattributed, uncited definition of pathology that contains the concept of spousal battery is just willfully malicious against a husband of one wife for 43 years and a father and grandfather of good character, well known to the professional class of people here in Maryland, where my family met his.

I am asking you as one FReeper to another, please stop hurting Donald Trump here on FR by making such down-and-dirty accusations against a decent man.

40 posted on 11/12/2015 10:30:20 AM PST by Albion Wilde (If you can't make a deal with a politician, you can't make a deal. --Donald Trump)
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