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"US Debt Is 3 Times More Than You Think" Warns Former Chief US Accountant
Zero Hedge ^ | 11/08/2015 | Tyler Durden

Posted on 11/08/2015 11:14:13 AM PST by SeekAndFind

In a shocking admission for most of mainstream America, the former U.S. comptroller general says the real U.S. debt is closer to about $65 trillion than the oft-cited figure of $18 trillion, thanks to unfunded liabilities which simply cannot be ignored. As The Hill reports, unless economic growth accelerates, he warns, "you’re not going to be able to provide the kind of social safety net that we need in this country," adding unequivocially that Americans have "lost touch with reality" when it comes to spending.

As The Hill reports,

Dave Walker, who headed the Government Accountability Office (GAO) under Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, said when you add up all of the nation’s unfunded liabilities, the national debt is more than three times the number generally advertised.

 

“If you end up adding to that $18.5 trillion the unfunded civilian and military pensions and retiree healthcare, the additional underfunding for Social Security, the additional underfunding for Medicare, various commitments and contingencies that the federal government has, the real number is about $65 trillion rather than $18 trillion, and it’s growing automatically absent reforms,” Walker told host John Catsimatidis on “The Cats Roundtable” on New York’s AM-970 in an interview airing Sunday.

 

The former comptroller general, who is in charge of ensuring federal spending is fiscally responsible, said a burgeoning national debt hampers the ability of government to carry out both domestic and foreign policy initiatives.

 

“If you don’t keep your economy strong, and that means to be able to generate more jobs and opportunities, you’re not going to be strong internationally with regard to foreign policy, you’re not going to be able to invest what you need to invest in national defense and homeland security, and ultimately you’re not going to be able to provide the kind of social safety net that we need in this country,” he said.

 

He said Americans have “lost touch with reality” when it comes to spending.

 

Walker called for Democrats and Republicans to put aside partisan politics to come together to fix the problem. 

 

"You can be a Democrat, you can be a Republican, you can be unaffiliated, you can be whatever you want, but your duty of loyalty needs to be to country rather than to party, and we need to solve some of the large, known, and growing problems that we have,” he said.

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Of course, that is to say nothing of the other unfunded liability - America's Pension Ponzi, as we detailed previously...

Just how big of a problem is this you ask? Well, pretty big, according to Moody’s which, as we noted last month, contends that the largest 25 public pensions are underfunded by some $2 trillion

It’s against that backdrop that we present the following graphic and color from Goldman which together demonstrate the amount by which state and local governments would need to raise contributions to "bring plans into balance over time."

From Goldman:

 
 

Unfunded pension liabilities have grown substantially. There are several factors behind this, led by lower than expected investment returns and insufficient contributions from state and local governments to the plans. The two issues are related. The assumed investment return is used as a discount rate to determine the present value of liabilities. The higher the discount rate, the lower the estimated liability, and the lower the periodic payment into the fund a state or local employer is expected to make. There is, of course, no clear answer about what the discount rate ought to be, though the fact that the average assumption used by private plans has continuously declined for more than a decade suggests that the rates have probably been too high and that the current average assumption of 7.7% may come down further.

 

Contributions have also generally been lower than necessary to stabilize or reduce unfunded liabilities because of the rules around how those unfunded liabilities are amortized. Payments into pension plans are generally meant to account for the future cost of benefits accrued during the current year, as well as catch-up payments equal to some fraction of the unfunded liability left from prior years. Many plans target payment amounts that would work off this underfunding over 30 years, though some use shorter periods. However, the amounts of these payments are often backloaded, with the result that even if the “required” payment is made in full the unfunded liability often grows.

 

A separate but related issue is that some states have simply declined to make even the “required” contribution, which is probably lower than it should be in any case due to the factors just noted. For example, over the last few years New Jersey has made on average only around 40% of the expected payment. New accounting rules promulgated by the Government Accounting Standards Board (GASB) will penalize underfunded plans with a lower discount rate, but the change is fairly minor and, in any case, affects only the accounting; it will not impose any new legal requirements to make the contributions.

 

If state and local governments are ultimately forced to devote more resources to these obligations, the effect on state and local spending would be noticeable. Exhibit 8 shows the states’ pension contributions, as a share of gross state product, with two potential additions. The first is the level that would be required to simply meet the “actuarially required contribution.” To bring the plans back into balance over time, further contributions would be necessary. In aggregate this would raise government pension contributions by something like $100bn per year (0.6% of GDP), lowering spending in other areas (or raising taxes) by a similar amount. In theory, OPEB costs could push this adjustment a bit higher.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: debt; deficit; spending
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To: FreedomNotSafety

You’re exactly right. Well said.

The only thing I would add is that for our generation to run up debts that we cannot possibly repay is to rob our own posterity of their God-given, unalienable right to government by consent.

It’s truly a wicked, selfish thing to consign your own children and grandchildren to slavery and poverty.


21 posted on 11/08/2015 11:45:54 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: kabar

Exactly, look no further than Juan McAmnesty and Goober Gramnesty ....


22 posted on 11/08/2015 11:46:18 AM PST by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitutiion)
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To: kabar

Yep.


23 posted on 11/08/2015 11:46:42 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: SeekAndFind
Here's the solution. Easy-peasy!!


24 posted on 11/08/2015 11:48:47 AM PST by Eric Pode of Croydon (I wish someone would tell me what "diddy wah diddy" means....)
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To: kabar

How many choices have we had, how may lies have we been told, how many coverups by the media? Even now we’ll be lucky to keep Hillary or the GOPe out of the WH. The corruption is so deep and so strong. And now the zillionaires are buying private islands to escape to when their greed has finally destroyed the rest of us.

It’s only recently that we’ve been able to learn more of the truth. I hope it’s not too late.


25 posted on 11/08/2015 11:54:10 AM PST by Aria
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To: SeekAndFind

I think I’ll go into business selling bearings for the presses at the U.S. Mint.


26 posted on 11/08/2015 11:55:22 AM PST by Rodamala
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To: FreedomNotSafety

There is a fight going on in Illinois right now.

The state pension fund is in deep trouble, and in danger of default. The tax base wan’t growing, and any rate hikes were voted down. So now the judges are dictating that there will be X% increase in property taxes.

However, Buffet’s group just moved Conagra and Kraft/Heinz to Chicago. The only way that makes sense is to give a gift to Obama’s home state.


27 posted on 11/08/2015 11:59:19 AM PST by redgolum
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To: SeekAndFind

Dave Walker’s right. But then again all of us at FreeRepublic know liberals ahve been lying about it. They lie about everything... the national debt is no exception.


28 posted on 11/08/2015 12:01:35 PM PST by GOPJ (policy debates rather then journalist clowns posturing and mugging for their fellow journalistsMNJ.)
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To: Carbonsteel

It’s already starting, with Social Security statements saying benefits will be 70% of promises.


29 posted on 11/08/2015 12:01:53 PM PST by ctdonath2 (Trump/Cruz - Because you gotta win, first.)
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To: 2banana
"We sent bankrupt slowly at first, and then quicker than anyone could imagine..."

Are you thinking of the quote from Hemingway's The Sun Also Rises:

"How did you go bankrupt?"
"Two ways. Gradually, then suddenly."

30 posted on 11/08/2015 12:04:02 PM PST by Steely Tom (Vote GOP: A Slower Handbasket)
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To: fhayek

“..like to respond, but halftime is over...”

Understand, the important stuff first right? You can send me some sort of “flaming arrow missive” after you “pay your dues” to the “Mandingos!”


31 posted on 11/08/2015 12:04:43 PM PST by vette6387
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To: Paladin2

That’s really good...”from space...” Thanks for the chuckle.


32 posted on 11/08/2015 12:05:38 PM PST by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; ONE BOX LEFT!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I believe that number includes state & local govt’s liabilities.


33 posted on 11/08/2015 12:07:38 PM PST by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; ONE BOX LEFT!)
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To: fhayek

.like to respond, but halftime is over.

Lol. Totally agree. Get a life


34 posted on 11/08/2015 12:09:34 PM PST by South Dakota (Awwp ppl)
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To: SeekAndFind
We geezers are the problem and Obama (Obamacare) and Pelosi can take care of that..

Palliative End of Life Optimum Serenity Initiative (PELOSI)

Obama: "Just give 'em pill." Or if in a hurry, a shot.

35 posted on 11/08/2015 12:18:41 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: SeekAndFind

$18,559,625,701,902+

http://www.usdebtclock.org

(placemark)


36 posted on 11/08/2015 12:58:44 PM PST by PGalt
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To: SeekAndFind
Say, I have an terrific idea...

Let's import a couple million more Muslims (90% of whom stay on welfare, and probably 75% of whom are totally cool with ISIS and Sharia Law) and another 40 million more "other" indigent and uneducated immigrants (75% of whom stay on welfare, don't pay taxes, or give a hoot about the US Constitution).

That should fix our economic and political problems and establish a solid base for growth and paying off our multiple scores of trillions in debt and supporting our long-cherished government support programs. Right?

Well, at least most of them will vote Democrat and that is the important thing for keeping the gravy train rolling and electing more Liberals to office.

The solvency of the country? Who cares any more? Certainly very few in Gomorrah-On-The-Potomac. It's every crook for himself!

37 posted on 11/08/2015 1:07:29 PM PST by Gritty (Frau Merkel is achieving what the Red Army couldn't... wiping Germany off the map - Mark Steyn)
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To: fhayek

*smirk*


38 posted on 11/08/2015 1:08:17 PM PST by BraveMan
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To: SeekAndFind

The a##clown should be kept on a short leash where we know where he’s at so when it is time we can draw and quarter him after we skin him alive and add lots of salt


39 posted on 11/08/2015 1:16:43 PM PST by ronnie raygun (better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I told everyone this a while back. My brother in law told me this ages ago. It’s kind of hard to wrap you mind around. Probably why so many people ignored it.


40 posted on 11/08/2015 1:50:18 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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