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"US Debt Is 3 Times More Than You Think" Warns Former Chief US Accountant
Zero Hedge ^ | 11/08/2015 | Tyler Durden

Posted on 11/08/2015 11:14:13 AM PST by SeekAndFind

In a shocking admission for most of mainstream America, the former U.S. comptroller general says the real U.S. debt is closer to about $65 trillion than the oft-cited figure of $18 trillion, thanks to unfunded liabilities which simply cannot be ignored. As The Hill reports, unless economic growth accelerates, he warns, "you’re not going to be able to provide the kind of social safety net that we need in this country," adding unequivocially that Americans have "lost touch with reality" when it comes to spending.

As The Hill reports,

Dave Walker, who headed the Government Accountability Office (GAO) under Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, said when you add up all of the nation’s unfunded liabilities, the national debt is more than three times the number generally advertised.

 

“If you end up adding to that $18.5 trillion the unfunded civilian and military pensions and retiree healthcare, the additional underfunding for Social Security, the additional underfunding for Medicare, various commitments and contingencies that the federal government has, the real number is about $65 trillion rather than $18 trillion, and it’s growing automatically absent reforms,” Walker told host John Catsimatidis on “The Cats Roundtable” on New York’s AM-970 in an interview airing Sunday.

 

The former comptroller general, who is in charge of ensuring federal spending is fiscally responsible, said a burgeoning national debt hampers the ability of government to carry out both domestic and foreign policy initiatives.

 

“If you don’t keep your economy strong, and that means to be able to generate more jobs and opportunities, you’re not going to be strong internationally with regard to foreign policy, you’re not going to be able to invest what you need to invest in national defense and homeland security, and ultimately you’re not going to be able to provide the kind of social safety net that we need in this country,” he said.

 

He said Americans have “lost touch with reality” when it comes to spending.

 

Walker called for Democrats and Republicans to put aside partisan politics to come together to fix the problem. 

 

"You can be a Democrat, you can be a Republican, you can be unaffiliated, you can be whatever you want, but your duty of loyalty needs to be to country rather than to party, and we need to solve some of the large, known, and growing problems that we have,” he said.

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Of course, that is to say nothing of the other unfunded liability - America's Pension Ponzi, as we detailed previously...

Just how big of a problem is this you ask? Well, pretty big, according to Moody’s which, as we noted last month, contends that the largest 25 public pensions are underfunded by some $2 trillion

It’s against that backdrop that we present the following graphic and color from Goldman which together demonstrate the amount by which state and local governments would need to raise contributions to "bring plans into balance over time."

From Goldman:

 
 

Unfunded pension liabilities have grown substantially. There are several factors behind this, led by lower than expected investment returns and insufficient contributions from state and local governments to the plans. The two issues are related. The assumed investment return is used as a discount rate to determine the present value of liabilities. The higher the discount rate, the lower the estimated liability, and the lower the periodic payment into the fund a state or local employer is expected to make. There is, of course, no clear answer about what the discount rate ought to be, though the fact that the average assumption used by private plans has continuously declined for more than a decade suggests that the rates have probably been too high and that the current average assumption of 7.7% may come down further.

 

Contributions have also generally been lower than necessary to stabilize or reduce unfunded liabilities because of the rules around how those unfunded liabilities are amortized. Payments into pension plans are generally meant to account for the future cost of benefits accrued during the current year, as well as catch-up payments equal to some fraction of the unfunded liability left from prior years. Many plans target payment amounts that would work off this underfunding over 30 years, though some use shorter periods. However, the amounts of these payments are often backloaded, with the result that even if the “required” payment is made in full the unfunded liability often grows.

 

A separate but related issue is that some states have simply declined to make even the “required” contribution, which is probably lower than it should be in any case due to the factors just noted. For example, over the last few years New Jersey has made on average only around 40% of the expected payment. New accounting rules promulgated by the Government Accounting Standards Board (GASB) will penalize underfunded plans with a lower discount rate, but the change is fairly minor and, in any case, affects only the accounting; it will not impose any new legal requirements to make the contributions.

 

If state and local governments are ultimately forced to devote more resources to these obligations, the effect on state and local spending would be noticeable. Exhibit 8 shows the states’ pension contributions, as a share of gross state product, with two potential additions. The first is the level that would be required to simply meet the “actuarially required contribution.” To bring the plans back into balance over time, further contributions would be necessary. In aggregate this would raise government pension contributions by something like $100bn per year (0.6% of GDP), lowering spending in other areas (or raising taxes) by a similar amount. In theory, OPEB costs could push this adjustment a bit higher.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: debt; deficit; spending
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1 posted on 11/08/2015 11:14:13 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

From what I have read it is actually around $200 trillion if you include all the unfunded liabilities.


2 posted on 11/08/2015 11:18:15 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: SeekAndFind

“We sent bankrupt slowly at first, and then quicker than anyone could imagine...”


3 posted on 11/08/2015 11:20:23 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

4 posted on 11/08/2015 11:20:48 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

ping for reading after football.


5 posted on 11/08/2015 11:21:08 AM PST by fhayek
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To: SeekAndFind

We all know that the debt is just like unemployment. It will be exactly what dear leader says it is. All facts including climate facts must be cleared by the White Hut. The news media is nothing more than a wing of the White Hut Tribe.


6 posted on 11/08/2015 11:21:31 AM PST by Steamburg (Other people's money is the only language a politician respects)
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To: SeekAndFind

US Astronauts say the debt looks smaller from Space.


7 posted on 11/08/2015 11:21:45 AM PST by Paladin2 (my non-desktop devices are no longer allowed to try to fix speling and punctuation, nor my gran-mah.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Seems to me that even though Americans have lost touch with reality it’s the politicians who are to blame...them and their vote buying schemes and throwing money at their friends and supporters.


8 posted on 11/08/2015 11:25:12 AM PST by Aria
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To: SeekAndFind

I understand making an account of “unfunded liabilities” it is useful to see how much has been promised as a measure of how profligate our politicians are.

But the real issue here is why he thinks they are liabilities. Thomas Jefferson did not see it that way. He beleived that one generation was not liable for the debt of the previous generation. In other words the people of today are not bound by the promises of yesterday’s politicians. The people of tomorrow are not bound by the politicians of our day.

At any point now or in the future we or our successors can decide (vote) to eliminate Social Security, or eliminate various welfare schemes.

Articles like this are designed to reinforce the notion that all of these so called “compacts”, “inter generational trusts”, or “sacred contracts” which are guaranteed by sovereign debt must indeed be honored by people yet not even living.

It’s utter nonsense. These promises cannot be kept because the people who made them will be gone or no longer in power. Plus it is literally impossible to pay for them all.


9 posted on 11/08/2015 11:28:20 AM PST by FreedomNotSafety
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To: SeekAndFind

I am so screwed.


10 posted on 11/08/2015 11:29:45 AM PST by Lazamataz ( If they try firearm confiscation or gun registration, I go ballistic.)
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To: Aria

Don’t forget foreign aid in the tens of billions.


11 posted on 11/08/2015 11:31:03 AM PST by MarMema
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To: SeekAndFind

Don’t conflate the two.
Debt us for money already borrowed and spent.
Liabilities, as referred to, are legislated promises of future spending which can be just as easily legislated away to eliminate the obligation.


12 posted on 11/08/2015 11:31:37 AM PST by ctdonath2 (Trump/Cruz - Because you gotta win, first.)
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us = is

Dang auto correct.


13 posted on 11/08/2015 11:33:23 AM PST by ctdonath2 (Trump/Cruz - Because you gotta win, first.)
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To: fhayek
“ping for reading after football.”

Actually, you personify the problem. You'd rather watch a bunch of overpaid black morons “play” than attempt to understand this country's financial predicament. I guess it just proves that even those we think are “smart,” are just as stupid as those we regard as “stupid.”

14 posted on 11/08/2015 11:35:31 AM PST by vette6387
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To: FreedomNotSafety
Plus it is literally impossible to pay for them all.

Not if you listen to Donald Trump. His sheer dealmaking awesomeness will render unnecessary any cuts to SS/Medicare. After all. he says so, and he's always right.

15 posted on 11/08/2015 11:35:50 AM PST by Eric Pode of Croydon (I wish someone would tell me what "diddy wah diddy" means....)
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To: MarMema

“Don’t forget foreign aid in the tens of billions.”

It’s really saying something when anything in the billions seems like chump change.


16 posted on 11/08/2015 11:37:46 AM PST by PLMerite (The Revolution...will not be kind.)
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To: ctdonath2
Liabilities, as referred to, are legislated promises of future spending which can be just as easily legislated away to eliminate the obligation.

True but when has that ever happened. The Politicians in Washington are incapable of doing as you suggest. They know no other way.

17 posted on 11/08/2015 11:38:18 AM PST by Carbonsteel
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To: vette6387

...like to respond, but halftime is over...


18 posted on 11/08/2015 11:40:50 AM PST by fhayek
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To: Aria

You can blame the politicians all you want, but the voters are the ones who put them there. Americans want all the services and benefits the welfare state has to offer, but they are unwilling to pay the taxes to support them. We deserve the government we have.


19 posted on 11/08/2015 11:40:59 AM PST by kabar
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To: 2banana

1. Debt is more like 120 trillion.

2. We won’t go bankrupt. We can print whatever we need. Current calculations indicate we can get through for many years by slowly (about 4% annually) lowering the value of the dollar. This has already been going on for about 8 years and will continue for another 9-10 years. Doesn’t mean we won’t suffer, we will. we’ll just suffer less than the alternative ways out, hopefully.

3. As always, preparation and taking action is the key.


20 posted on 11/08/2015 11:45:34 AM PST by SaxxonWoods (Life is good.)
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