Posted on 10/24/2015 5:13:38 PM PDT by BlackFemaleArmyColonel
Donald Trump on Saturday contrasted his Presbyterian faith with that of Seventh-day Adventists, apparently attempting to draw attention to and raise doubts about Republican presidential rival Ben Carson's religious beliefs.
Speaking at a campaign rally here, Trump was in the midst of discussing his standing in the polls, including recent Iowa surveys that showed him falling behind Carson in the GOP race. Then, he brought up religion.
"I love Iowa. And, look, I don't have to say it, I'm Presbyterian," said Trump. "Can you believe it? Nobody believes I'm Presbyterian. I'm Presbyterian. I'm Presbyterian. I'm Presbyterian. Boy, that's down the middle of the road folks, in all fairness. I mean, Seventh-day Adventist, I don't know about. I just don't know about."
Politically, the matter could become an issue in the lead-up to the Iowa caucuses. As the Des Moines Register notes, "some conservatives have argued Seventh-day Adventists … aren't Christians."
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When Ike went to West Point, the people in his church thought he had betrayed their values.
Carson has said that Zimmerman should have been convicted of manslaughter [for exercising his right of self defense] and that Michael Brown should have been stopped with non-lethal force. I wonder if these opinions tie into pacifism?
..and remember when John Kennedy was running for POTUS, why he was a CATHOLIC...and some people had a problem with that...
I don’t recall him making a statement about abortion at all, other than to downplay it and avoid the gotcha game of the media.
Do you like candidates to be no viable ones by having them publicly state they are pro-life so their ability to campaign ones to a screeching halt?
By definition a cult is any religion that diminishes the identity of Jesus Christ as beneath Almighty God. Adventism teaches that Jesus was an Archangel, just as Jehovah’s Witnesses do. True Christianity teaches that Jesus Created the Angels.
True Christianity does not view the teachings of Ellen G. White as equal to Scripture.
Oh come on. They are no more pacifists than was King David. If your life or the life of another or the country needs defending then it is your duty to do so. If you can contribute to the defense of your country without taking another life than that does not alter the fact that you’ve made a contribution.
Any man running for president knows he will be called on to make thise decisions. Ask the Doctor your questions already. For that matter ask all the candidates the question. Seems to me a lot of Dem candidates are antiwar as uou can get.
I really thought FReepers were more mature. Good luck with that current fundraiser, JR....I'm"out" until sanity resurfaces here.
I agree.
Seventh-day Adventists agree with many Catholic doctrines, including the Trinity, Christ’s divinity, the virgin birth, the atonement, a physical resurrection of the dead, and Christ’s Second Coming. They use a valid form of baptism. They believe in original sin and reject the Evangelical teaching that one can never lose one’s salvation no matter what one does (i.e., they correctly reject "once saved, always saved").
It probably ties into the cultural grieving blacks tend to go through when one of their young men die through stupidity.
I like a candidate to know that life begins at conception and to recognize the sanctity of life. And, Yes, I want a candidate to state his position on abortion, loud and clear.
You don’t understand the Adventist position of the Archangel to know that they do not view Him as simply an angel. The Archangel is one of the names God has taken for Himself.
Many people, aside from Adventists believe this. Isaac Newton, for example, was one of those who believed this. There is a Scriptural basis for this belief.
Are you one of them?
You can state what you want to believe, or you can accept the Fact that Pacifism has been taught in the SDA Church since 1863.
Trump's success is old school salesmanship
Ask and pose only yes questions and scenerios ... nod your head ... give no other option except your product .... and if your product IS good ... or THE best .... you got the sale ...
IF you ask for it
I love it !
(11 years, in home cemetery sales ... pay me now or pay me later ... I already have your family in my cemetery .... I'm sorry Mrs. _, I'll see you out at the cemetery .
etc. )
Then you refer candidates who cannot win. A candidate can very much be pro-life without having to shout it from the rooftops.
Dr. Carson has a strong belief in marriage because he has been married to one woman and there are no accusations of him having children outside wedlock, so it should be apparent to anybody that his actions suggest a pro-life slant.
To me, the question is: does a candidate’s professed faith matter, or does it matter only if he actually practices it?
Is a candidate who gives lip service to a mainstream church but lives a secular life to be preferred over one who is devout but belongs to a lesser-known Christian church? Should a candidate’s faith matter at all (Romney, Kennedy, etc.)?
Read about the Seventh Day Adventist Church before passing judgment, please. No, they’re not pacifist, but apparently were in the 1800s. They are very conservative, both socially and spiritually, and they meet on the Mosaical Sabbath rather than the first day of the week. They believe in Jesus as Lord.
Their beliefs are actually fairly mainstream. They live modestly, believe in scripture, take communion, baptize believers, oppose abortion and same-sex marriage and promote abstinence outside of wedlock.
To clarify: I am neither Presbyterian nor Seventh Day Adventist, nor are my family members. I am merely a conservative, rational, God-loving American who is asking legitimate questions. I want a candidate who can beat Hillary. I’m not sure either Trump or Carson can do that, and I don’t know if any of the others can.
http://www.watchman.org/index-of-cults-and-religions/#Adventism
Adventism: Widespread trans-denominational movement inspired by William Miller's prediction that Jesus' "advent" (return) would take place in 1844. Even after the Great Disappointment (the date's failure), many people in the movement continued to believe. Some suggested revised chronologies and new dates, eventually forming groups such as the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. Others, notably Hiram Edson and Ellen G. White, suggested that the 1844 date was accurate but that a heavenly (thus invisible) event had taken place. Their teachings became the basis of Seventh-day Adventism, which eventually spawned its own offshoots, including Armstrongism and the Branch Davidians.
Amen!
THIS...
[By definition a cult is any religion that diminishes the identity of Jesus Christ as beneath Almighty God. Adventism teaches that Jesus was an Archangel, just as Jehovah’s Witnesses do. True Christianity teaches that Jesus Created the Angels. True Christianity does not view the teachings of Ellen G. White as equal to Scripture.]
That’s a facile explanation. Zimmerman was getting his head pounded into concrete. He called out for help as long as he could, then he fired a single shot in defense of his life. Carson thinks Zimmerman should be in prison bc...Trayvon got himself stupidly killed?
That’s bizarrely irrational.
The officer in the Michael Brown case was found to have used reasonable force to project himself in a life-threatening situation. Carson wants to second guess an officer in that situation and say he should have given Brown a chance to take his gun and kill him with it...bc Carson is grieving over Brown’s stupidity?
You’re really reaching here. Reaching way too far.
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