This is a good argument.
That's a horrible argument, because Atta and the other hijackers were here legally on student visas.
Is Trump going to shut down all student visas?
A good many of those visas had expired. There were plenty of warning signs and the FBI had been contacted about these people, but no one followed up or did anything.
Identity and Immigration Status of 9/11 Terrorists
http://www.fairus.org/issue/identity-and-immigration-status-of-9-11-terrorists
If he shut down the Muslim ones, he’d be off to a good start.
They were all EXPIRED visas, they were not here legally.
Before the attacks, FBI agent Robert Wright, Jr. had written vigorous criticisms of FBI’s alleged incompetence in investigating terrorists residing within the United States. Wright was part of the Bureau’s Chicago counter-terrorism task force and involved in project Vulgar Betrayal which was linked to Yasin al-Qadi.[24]
According to James Bamford, the NSA had picked up communications of al-Mihdhar and al-Hazmi back in 1999, but had been hampered by internal bureaucratic conflicts between itself and the CIA, and did not do a full analysis of the information it passed on to the agency. For example; it only passed the first names on, Nawaf and Khalid.[25]
Bamford also claims that the CIA’s Alec Station (a unit assigned to bin Laden) knew that al-Mihdhar was planning to come to New York as far back as January 2000. Doug Miller, one of 3 FBI agents working inside the CIA station, tried to send a message (a CIR) to the FBI to alert them about this, so they could put al-Mihdhar on a watch list. His CIA boss, Tom Wilshire, deputy station chief, allegedly denied permission to Miller. Miller asked his associate Mark Rossini for advice; Rossini pressed Wilshire’s deputy but was again rebuffed.[26][27]
Bamford also claims that al-Mihdhar and Hazmi wound up living with Abdussattar Shaikh for a time to save money. Shaikh was, coincidentally, an FBI informant, but since they never acted suspiciously around him, he never reported them. The CIA Bangkok station told Alec Station that Hazmi had gone to Los Angeles. None of this information made it back to the FBI headquarters.[28]
Yeah, don’t let Saudi “students” in. No Arabs!
Hani Hasan Hanjour (26) — Saudi Arabian — pilot
In illegal status because he did not enroll, and his entry permit had expired at the time of the attack.
Nawaf al-Hamzi (or Alhamzi) — Saudi Arabian (brother of Salem)
Had been in illegal visa overstay status for nine months at the time of the attack.
Mohamed Atta — Egyptian (43) — pilot
According to the 2/04 Staff Report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks, had overstayed his entry permit as of Dec. 4, 2000.
Satam al-Suqami (25) — Saudi Arabian
Was in overstay status at the time of the attack
Waleed al-Shehri (or Alshehri) (21) — Saudi Arabian (brother of Wail)
In illegal nonimmigrant status (visa overstay) at time of the attack.
Abdulaziz al-Omari (or Alomari) — Saudi Arabian
his passport was doctored (presumably with pages removed to hide his travel to countries where he obtained terrorist training).
Ahmed al-Ghamdi (or Alghamdi) — Saudi Arabian
In illegal visa overstay status at the time of the attack.
Saeed al-Ghamdi (or Alghamdi) — Saudi Arabian
According to the 2/04 Staff Report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks, application falsely stated he had not previously applied for a U.S. visa.
Ahmed Ibrahim A. al-Haznawi (or Alhaznawi) (21) — Saudi Arabian
Report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks, his passport may have had “suspicious indicators.”
Ahmed Abdullah al-Nami (or Alnami) (23) — Saudi Arabian
Report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks, his passport may have had “suspicious indicators.”
http://www.fairus.org/issue/identity-and-immigration-status-of-9-11-terrorists
Read the commission report on this and also the link to FactCheck that only one was on a student visa, but never showed up for class. The others were on tourist or business visas and most overstayed them.
http://www.9-11commission.gov/staff_statements/911_TerrTrav_Ch2.pdf
http://www.factcheck.org/2013/05/911-hijackers-and-student-visas/
According to authorities, all of the hijackers who committed the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks were foreigners. All of them entered the country legally on a temporary visa, mostly tourist visas with entry permits for six months. Although four of them attended flight school in the United States, only one is known to have entered on an appropriate visa for such study, and one entered on an F-1 student visa. Besides the four pilots, all but one of the terrorists entered the United States only once and had been in the country for only three to five months before the attacks.
According to authorities, all of the hijackers who committed the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks were foreigners. All of them entered the country legally on a temporary visa, mostly tourist visas with entry permits for six months. Although four of them attended flight school in the United States, only one is known to have entered on an appropriate visa for such study, and one entered on an F-1 student visa. Besides the four pilots, all but one of the terrorists entered the United States only once and had been in the country for only three to five months before the attacks.
The four pilots had been in the United States for extended periods, although none was a legal permanent resident. Some had received more than one temporary visa, most of which were currently valid on September 11, but at least three of them had fallen out of status and were, therefore, in the United States illegally.
The terrorists had obtained U.S. identification that was used for boarding flights in the form of Florida, Virginia, California and New Jersey driver's licenses/ID cards. One of the terrorists, Mohamed Atta, was detained in Florida for driving without a license, but subsequently obtained one. Thirteen of the terrorists had Florida driver's licenses or ID cards, seven had Virginia driver's licenses, at least two had California licenses and two had New Jersey driver's licenses. According to the March 28, 2002 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Robert Thibadeau, director of Carnegie Mellon's Internet Security laboratory, says that "the 19 terrorists on Sept. 11 were holding 63 state driver's licenses for identification."
In the probe of the attack, numerous other people with potential connections to the hijackings have been detained for immigration violations.
The fact is, only one of the 19 9/11 hijackers came to the U.S. on a student visa, according to the 9/11 Commission Report. That one was Hani Hanjour, a Saudi Arabian terrorist who piloted the plane that was flown into the Pentagon, according to a 2004 staff report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States. In his student visa application, Hanjour provided paperwork showing that he was enrolled in an English as a second language program in Oakland, Calif., but he never attended after arriving in America (a fact that would draw scrutiny today). He did not, however, overstay his student visa.
Of the other 18 9/11 hijackers, 14 came to the United States on six-month tourist visas and four came on business visas, according to the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States. Once in the U.S., two of the hijack pilots applied to have their immigration status changed to vocational student, but neither used such a visa on their subsequent re-entry into the country.
State Dept. Lapses Aided 9/11 Hijackers
A new report accuses the State Department of staggering lapses in its visa program that gave Sept. 11 hijackers entry into the United States.
The political journal National Review obtained the visa applications for 15 of the 19 hijackers — and evidence that all of them should have been denied entry to the country.
Almost all of the hijacker's visas were issued in Saudi Arabia, at the U.S. Embassy in Riyadh or the U.S. Consulate in Jedda. Terrorist ties aside, the applications themselves should have raised red flags, say experts. The forms are incomplete and often incomprehensible — yet that didn't stop any of the 15 terrorists for whom the visa applications were obtained from coming to the United States.
This is a systemic problem," said Nikolai Wenzel, a former U.S. consular officer. "It's a problem of sloppiness, it's a problem of negligence which I would call criminal negligence because obviously, having reviewed all these applications, there is a pattern here."
The pattern? None of the 15 applications reviewed was filled out properly.
Negative. only one was on a student visa which was voided since he never attended a class. Others were here on 6-month "tourist visas". Why the hell is there even such a thing. Regardless…. "The political journal National Review obtained the visa applications for 15 of the 19 hijackers — and evidence that all of them should have been denied entry to the country.
Almost all of the hijacker's visas were issued in Saudi Arabia, at the U.S. Embassy in Riyadh or the U.S. Consulate in Jedda. Terrorist ties aside, the applications themselves should have raised red flags, say experts. The forms are incomplete and often incomprehensible — yet that didn't stop any of the 15 terrorists for whom the visa applications were obtained from coming to the United States."
One was turned back. Just that one guy meant that Flight 93 failed to secure the plane, causing it to be taken over in a passenger revolt.
Only one was here on a student visa.
No. In fact Trump said that he wants to legalize students with visas who graduate.
IIRC a few of them entered the country legally but their visas had expired and they were in the country illegally on 9-11. Apparently we do not go after visa overstays. I also remember that some of the others had lied on their visa applications but since we don’t check anything, they got their visas anyways. Aggressively enforcing our immigration laws may not have stopped the attacks altogether but I think it would have certainly hurt the terrorist’s plans.
VISA OVERSTAYS
He will likely vet the students better.
The 9/11 terrorists were all here illegally. When a visa expires, they are illegal.
Trump is right - lax illegal immigration policy let the terrorists stay.
“Is Trump going to shut down all student visas?”
No just the ones for muzzies and other undesirables!
Moreover, if you check the records, I think you’ll find most of the 19 hijackers were already in the country or already had visas to enter the country by the time of Bush’s inauguration. IOW, no president could have undone the fact that they were in the country, except by interdicting them after they were here, a very different and much more difficult task.
“Is Trump going to shut down all student visas? “
I would sure hope he would shut them down from Muslim countries (our enemy’s).