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China warns U.S. it will not allow violations of its waters
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Posted on 10/09/2015 7:01:22 PM PDT by traumer

China said on Friday it would not stand for violations of its territorial waters in the name of freedom of navigation, as the United States considers sailing warships close to China's artificial islands in the South China Sea.

A U.S. defense official told Reuters on Thursday the United States was considering sending ships to waters inside the 12-nautical-mile zones that China claims as territory around islands it has built in the Spratly chain.

Western media reports quoted U.S. officials as saying the action could take place within a matter of days, but awaited a decision by U.S. President Barack Obama.

The commander of U.S. forces in the Pacific, Admiral Harry Harris, declined to say on Friday whether the United States would carry out the plan. But he made clear it was an option he had presented to Obama and said the United States must carry out freedom of navigation patrols throughout the Asia-Pacific.

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1 posted on 10/09/2015 7:01:22 PM PDT by traumer
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How much longer? 15 more months?

By then they may take Taiwan and Senkaku Islands....


2 posted on 10/09/2015 7:02:53 PM PDT by traumer
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To: traumer
it was an option he had presented to Obama

Stand by for the usual "wimp out" by Obama.

3 posted on 10/09/2015 7:04:18 PM PDT by doc1019 (Out of my mind ... back in 5)
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To: traumer

Chuck Fina.


4 posted on 10/09/2015 7:04:22 PM PDT by datura
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To: traumer

If China plans on doing it sometime in the future well then during Obama’s Presidency will undoubtedly be the time they will do it. If they don’t under Obama, I doubt they ever will.


5 posted on 10/09/2015 7:05:58 PM PDT by tsowellfan (www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: traumer

I wish they wouldn’t warn the American people (U.S.). They should warn that moron (Obama) in his Rainbow Palace. Americans lost control of our government a long time ago. We have no say in it anymore.


6 posted on 10/09/2015 7:06:29 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Normal people don't vote Democrat.)
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To: traumer

China feels secure making threats while The One is in charge; they know he doesn’t have the gonads to buck them.


7 posted on 10/09/2015 7:06:40 PM PDT by Rembrandt (Part of the 51% who pay Federal taxes)
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To: traumer

Time to take a battle group between the Philippines and the mainland.


8 posted on 10/09/2015 7:06:52 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: traumer

By then a LOT worse than that could happen.

But I know you already know that.

You were saying what just China WOULD do.

imagine ISIS, which is in all 50 states now, and Russia and Iran etc. might do.


9 posted on 10/09/2015 7:06:54 PM PDT by dp0622
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To: traumer

The waening will be sufficient.
Dorkbama the ball-less Muslim will surrender.
Not that it matters, since we’ll be broke before any war is necessary.
Ouck Foboma.


10 posted on 10/09/2015 7:09:06 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: traumer

Trump will tell them to get fricked!! and mean it!!


11 posted on 10/09/2015 7:09:18 PM PDT by WENDLE (Trump is not bought . He is no puppet.)
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To: JimSEA

Make the Philippines a US state.


12 posted on 10/09/2015 7:15:50 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: traumer

Well, since our battle fleet is dhimminished, what shall we do? Let’s ask our president of the united states! Shall we go keeled-up, cur? Or, just turn our slight armada’s armament over to the/our Communist Overlords? What say you, mr. obama?


13 posted on 10/09/2015 7:20:29 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: RedHeeler

Obama’s mysterious stop in San Diego is now answered...He had to stop to change his underwear after this came out...


14 posted on 10/09/2015 7:34:32 PM PDT by Boonie ("Nuke 'em all...Let Allah sort 'em out...)
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To: traumer

How would you like to be Taiwanese now..?

Or living in Okinawa..?


15 posted on 10/09/2015 7:40:11 PM PDT by gaijin
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16 posted on 10/09/2015 7:43:02 PM PDT by SteveinSATX (C'mon Cruz, Trump or Carson ...baby needs a new pair of shoes!)
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To: traumer

THAT is a two-way street.


17 posted on 10/09/2015 7:50:20 PM PDT by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE USA OF TWO USA CITIZENS)
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Send for--
18 posted on 10/09/2015 7:54:58 PM PDT by windcliff
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To: gaijin

The Chinese have more pressing concerns.
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China Declares All Out War On Islam. So How Could China Be The 200,000,000 Man Army Declaring War On The Jews?
http://shoebat.com/2015/10/08/china-declares-all-out-war-on-islam-so-how-could-china-be-the-200000000-man-army-declaring-war-on-the-jews/

China is declaring an all out war on Islam as a preventative measure to minimize terror attacks. Ramadan is banned, Hijab banned, Muslim prayer banned in Chinese government buildings, $4,880 fines on Internet users who disseminate Islamist ideology, Muslim beards banned on public transportation and the government will pay $8000 for anyone who reports on Muslims growing beards. All that is not enough. Today all Halal restaurants must serve cigarets and alcohol. China hates the Islamists so much that they joined Russia in its war against the Islamists in Syria and there is much talk about the Chinese coming to Iraq. Russia and China’s emergence in the Middle East (especially Iraq) has many asking: is China coming soon with its 200,000,000 man army to Iraq to dry up the Euphrates? And is Russia’s Magog hailing for the massive battles leading up to Armageddon? I mean Iraq … this is where the Euphrates is … and here comes the Chinese … and the Russians … What in the world is going on? Are the words of Johnny Cash coming alive? Here, play this while you read further:
China-Xinjiang

TIME FOR A MYTH BUSTING
Somewhat surprisingly, the world’s most populous country (China), seems not to have the world’s larget army. China’s army is only 1.2 million. This shoots this theory of a 200,000,000 man army from China. In order to have China come to Iraq and dry the Euphrates up, every Chinese needs to go to battle. Is this what Chinese do: send their men, women and children to battle?

Fact is, Islam is the only religion which demands in the Quran:

“Go forth [in Jihad], light and heavy, and strive with your selves and your wealth in the path of Allah. That is better for you, if only you knew.” {Qur’an, 9:41}

If you google “Infiru” (go forth) in google you will see the code talk and the social media being used to explain global Jihad. By “light” means “children,” “women,” even pregnant, “old,” “one eyed,” anyone who is capable of carrying light arms, and by “heavy” means “strong men ready for war”. The Muslims (not the Chinese) are not only bent on invading Jerusalem and ruining half the city, but also Rome, the cherished pearl of Islamic prophecy. So engrained is Rome into the psyche of Muslims that Zuhayr Ibn Qumayr al-Maruzi said: “I have been wishing for meat for forty years, and I will not eat it until I enter Rome, and then I will eat it out of the booty of Rome.” [Tarteeb Al-Madarik, Al-Qadi Ayyadh 3/249] And even Muhammad, the prophet of Islam himself declared:

He [Muhammad] answered: “The city of Hirqil [Emperor Heraclius, that is, Constantinople/Turkey] will be conquered first” … Romiyya is the city called today Rome, the capital of Italy. The city of Hirquil was conquered by the young 23-year old Ottoman [sultan] Muhammad bin Morad, known in history as Mohammad the Conquerer, in 1453 [CE]. The other city, Romiyya, remains, and we hope and believe [that it too will be conquered]. This means that Islam will return to Europe as a conquerer and victor, after being expelled from its twice-once from the South, from Adalusia, and a second time from the East, when it knocked several times on the door of Athens.

Well this is just swell. The Muslims want Rome (which many hate as Harlot of Babylon). The same Jihadis also hate the Russians (whom many say are Magog) and the Chinese (whom many say are the 200 million man army). Is Yahweh on the side of the Muslims?! Are we to all of the sudden bow and worship Allah?

Not on my severed neck.

It is here why we need to understand, prophecy is set up that the blind will become blinder and the wise wiser (Matt. 13:11-16). It is always crucial to focus on Christ Who gave us the ultimate test: focus always on the fruits (Matthew 7:16).

To God, and no matter how something sounds good, always focus on the Intent and results. While the U.S. complain about Bashar’s barrel bombs one must ask: how many hundreds of thousands must die as result of U.S. intervention in the Middle East in support of Islamists? What are the fruits?

But on the other hand, many worry, China is in cahoots with Russia. China was also unwilling to criticize Russia for its annexation of Crimea in 2014. China and Russia share a specific distaste for U.S. military interventions, particularly when the stated goal is regime change in Syria. Thus Beijing is critical of the U.S. policy of training and supporting Muslim rebel groups in their fight against Assad.

Russia’s involvement in Syria is necessary and produces good fruit since the U.S. airstrikes against ISIS has been ineffective without working with the Assad government to provide the ground troops and intelligence. Without stability in the Middle East China’s source of oil imports (the very blood life of any economy) is hindered.

But besides all this, can anyone tell us what is so bad about the Chinese? Do they wear the mark of the beast on their forehead?

China has been fighting Islamic terrorism and has been providing support to Iraq, including the Kurdish region. Beijing is Iraq’s largest oil industry investor. China National Petroleum Corporation (NPC) faces huge losses if Sunni Muslim fighters control its operations and Iraq’s reserves are some of the world’s largest – a key reason for Beijing now apparently getting involved, to protect its regional interests.

There are rumors that China is now planning to deploy Shenyang J-15, a carrier-based fighter aircraft in Syria as International Business Times reported. The Lebanese-based Al-Masdar Al-‘Arabi (The Arab Source) news site reported “Chinese military advisors” heading for Syria. An unnamed Syrian army source was quoted saying “the Chinese will be arriving in the coming weeks.” They’ll join with their Russian counterparts, involved in training Syrian military personnel in weapons supplied. RT International said initial Chinese military personnel “will reportedly be followed by troops.”
Chinese army

Reports from Russia and the Middle East have both said China’s armed forces are on the way to Syria.

As it seems, both Russia and China are fighting the Islamists.

So how is it that China is considered to be the 200 million man army coming from the east and that Russia is Magog, both of which are fighting to end the Sunni Islamist agenda?

What have we missed here? Is Jesus a unitarian Muslim and the Bible is warning us about evil China and evil Trinitarian Orthodox Russia? Something seems to be upside down. But what is it?

Why is it that we focus on China, a nation that never declared wars on any other nation intending to occupy it? When did you ever hear the Chinese being aggressive like the Japanese or the Turks? Yet the U.S. today is allied with the historically most aggressive nations on earth: Japan and Turkey.

China never interferes, not even as a peacekeeping force. But surprisingly, unlike the U.S., China only intervened against Islamists in the Muslim Sudan when Beijing publicly (and privately) pressured the Khartoum Government to accept the presence of a joint African Union-UN PKO, something Beijing has previously been reluctant to do and now China is getting involved in Iraq and Syria, again, this is against the Islamist agenda. Turkey, ISIS and other global terrorist organizations have offered moral support for the Muslim Uyghur’s cause in China and the Islamist ideological propaganda is the biggest security threat emanating from the Middle East (and Afghanistan/Pakistan too) – extremist propaganda from global organisations influencing dissatisfied Chinese Uyghurs in Xinjiang.

Again, something is wrong with the common prophetic analysis that is focused on supporting the evil side.

China cannot be “the Kings of the East”.

The fix to this prophetic puzzle is very simple, so lets bust more myth, the problem is even simpler than what most think. While such an army of 200 million will definitely include Chinese, but it will not be China and while it will definitely include nations that were part of Russia, it will not be Russia.

And we are already seeing the nations working to unite whose armies which can in the future constitute even more than 200 million man army. Islam demands “great and small,” “young and old,” “multitudes and multitudes in the Valley of Vision”.

Today the U.S., Russia, and China, like Israel, all have Islamic terrorism problems. They’re all fighting the same enemies – Islamic ideologues who are Turkic. With Russia, Chechens have been openly fighting them for centuries. When it comes to China, that country has seen an increase in Muslim Uyghur aggression after the fall of the Soviet Union. China’s Uyghur Muslims are carrying out what the neo-Ottoman Turks want – a Caliphate that will dwarf al-Baghdadi’s version.

When it comes to the Ottoman Caliphate that the Turks wish to resurrect, the Turk set his eye on northwestern China using the Uyghur in the Xinjiang Province.

Turkey’s Erdogan and Davutoglu even visited the Uyghurs in Xinjiang / East Turkistan prepping it to secede from China. In fact, relations between Ankara and Beijing deteriorated after as a result of the riots by the Uighurs who began a genocide of ethnic Han Chinese in Urumqi.

The failed analysts did not see that its not China that is coming right next to the Uyghur’s Xinjiang, but Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, and Tajikistan, each borders China and are all home to the Turkish-influenced Uyghurs. Ironically, there is a Uyghur presence in Afghanistan as well.

The Muslim Uyghurs revived their Islamist aspirations as a direct result of the political earthquake in Russia when former Soviet satellite countries split that bordered China after declaring independence from Russia. In fact, the rise of Islamic terror attacks in China seemed to coincide with the fall of the Soviet Union which has reverted to Christian Orthodoxy after the fall of Communism.

The prophecy analysis fall into evil and they switched everything upside down; nations that seem to have finally stood up to Islamic tyranny are painted as Gog and Antichrist while Muslim nations that deny Father and Son slipped away unscathed or were rendered as a minor player by the pen of Prophecy buffs.

China (which in the past suffered tremendously from Japan and Islam by Ottomans and the Xinjiang Uighur Muslims) were portrayed to be the armies of the kings of the east in Revelation regardless that China has rarely if ever expressed a warlike attitude except in legitimate self defense from Japan.

It was only beginning from the 16th century that such evil analysis began when some European prophecy buffs proposed the idea that the Russian Muscovites are involved as Gog saying that Moscow stemmed from Meshech. This started with Sir Walter Ralegh (English aristocrat, c. 1616) who attributes this opinion to Philipp Melanchthon, German reformer (1497–1560) who collaborated with Martin Luther, the first systematic theologian of the Protestant Reformation and to Benito Arias Montano (1571), a Spanish orientalist which later, the error was also followed by Jonathan Edwards (1703–1758), a theologian.

And as it is the norm, that theologians all of the sudden becoming historians, these added to the fray. Even worse, they claimed that “Moscow” (Moskva) was founded by King Mosokh son of Japheth (i.e. Meshech) which turns out to be a legend that first appeared in the Kievan Synopsis (1674).

It is these principalities in high places that promote legend as fact in order to miss the target of prophecy. Protestant historian Sr. Henry Rawlinson, the Father of Assyriology outrightly rejects the idea that “Moschi” (Meshech) is Moscow:

Some have found in the Moshci the founders of Moscow, the ancestors of the present Muscovites. But this identification has no historical or ethnological basis, resting wholly on the similarity of the names. (Rawlinson, The Origin of Nations, p. 179, f) (For more on this click here)

When we think of etymology on Gog, Meshech and Tubal, we need to stop thinking Russia, but think “Gygez”. God in Ezekiel 38 was nicknaming the Antichrist as “Gygez”. And if we track history (Esarhaddon 681-668 BC) records the defeat of the Gimirrai (Gomer), while King Ashurbanipal tells us in his records of the Cimmerian invasion of Lydia (Turkey) in the days of the Lydian king Gugu (Gygez, Gogaz) around the year 660 BC.

This is the same general period that Ezekiel was writing his prophecy. In fact, the first mention of the term “Turk” which remains to this day, was by the Gokturks (GogTurk) in the 6th century. A letter by the Chinese Emperor written to the Göktürk khan named Isbara in 585 describes him as “the Great Turk khan”. The Orhun inscriptions from the same time use the term “Turuk”.

Meshech and Tubal in Ezekiel 38 are not Moscow and Tobolsk. No historian in the world would backup C.I Scofield’s claim. They are Mushki and Tubalani in Asia Minor (Turkey) as supported by real historians who etched their expert views in the Oxford Bible Atlas, Moody, McMillan, Encyclopedia of Bible Lands and others…

The self-proclaimed Prophecy book-sellers usually have rudimentary knowledge of biblical hermeneutics and rarely even looked into the Uighur or Ottoman history failing to even read that it was the Turkic Nations who were the foremost in God’s warning which include nations such as Turkey, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan:

“There is Meshech, Tubal, and all her multitude: her graves are round about him: all of them uncircumcised, slain by the sword, though they caused their terror in the land of the living. And they shall not lie with the mighty that are fallen of the uncircumcised, which are gone down to hell with their weapons of war: and they have laid their swords under their heads, but their iniquities shall be upon their bones, though they were the terror of the mighty in the land of the living.” (Ezekiel 32:26-27)

This is a major declaration, these nations will be buried around Antichrist “her graves are round about him” and they are terrorist states “they caused their terror in the land of the living”.

Today the snow is melting and many are healed from the prophecy cataract and the world is forging some strange alliances. The whole earth is being paved for the coming of the Antichrist, and the New Crusade that will commence, but this time, it will end up being lead by Christ. So many think that when Christ appears, its “poof” and all is done and the Antichrist with his armies are all consumed in an instant and the world rests at last.

Not so.

IT IS ALL ABOUT THE TRINITY
Christ when He comes will initially even correct heresy and confirm proper theology when He confronts Islam with the truth about the Trinity.

Difficult to believe?

Why else does He even address the Harlot’s religion regarding the Trinity in Isaiah 48, and by that He will even clear the Catholic from the utter slander that he follows a harlot religion?

Speaking to this Harlot “Lady of Kingdoms” and in a challenge to Islam, the Lord Jesus Christ declares what Islam denies; His part in the Trinity:

“Come near to Me, hear this; I have not spoken in secret, from the beginning; From the time that it was, I was there, And now the Lord God and His Spirit Have sent Me” (Isaiah 48:16).

In one solid verse, we see that,

“From the time that it was (from the beginning was The Word), I (God the Son) was there; and now the Lord God (The Father) and His Spirit (The Holy Spirit) Have sent Me (The Son).”

Get it?

But this is not just a simple announcement by God in the Bible and it is not simply a declaration on correct theology for all times etched in the past, its a prophecy (as the Bible as a whole is) since ancient Israel. The context is crystal clear, Jesus is addressing His speech to Israel and to Mystery Babylon:

“All ye, assemble yourselves, and hear; which among them hath declared these things? The LORD hath loved him: he will do his pleasure on Babylon, and his arm shall be on the Chaldeans.” (Isaiah 48:14)

God is clarifying His nature and attributes that they have denied: The Trinity which it was the Catholic who deduced from Scripture as major theology in which the Protestant also inherited as solid truth. And “His Arm,” is the Messiah, see Isaiah 53, “to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed” who was the suffering servant, revealed as Messiah and “the Arm of the Lord” in several passages in end-time context in which His Arm (Christ) will judge the whole of Arabia (Babylon):

“… thus Says the Lord GOD; ‘I will also stretch out mine hand upon Edom, and will cut off man and beast from it; and I will make it desolate from Teman [Yemen]; and they of Dedan [Arabia] shall fall by the sword’” (Ezekiel 25:12-13).

It is amazing that few Westerners see the context of this—how the Messiah is denouncing Mystery Babylon and her denial of the Trinity. Here He confronts the Babylonian spirit of Antichrist (I John 2:22) which “denies Father and Son”.

While many would object, the Catholic and the Russian Orthodox are shrewd with Israel. But it was the Catholic who rescued more Jews than any other and it was Russia and the U.S. that liberated the Jews at the end of Nazi Germany. Do not worry, God is in control and there are millions of Catholic, Orthodox and Evangelicals who would never bend the knee to the Ba’al of Allah.

The Jews aren’t to be left unpunished either. God whom prior to Christ’s coming also reprimands Israel with some of His own words:

Fear you not, O Jacob my servant, said the LORD: for I am with you; for I will make a full end of all the nations where I have driven you: but I will not make a full end of you, but correct you in measure; yet will I not leave you wholly unpunished. (Jeremiah 46:28)

Time for some serious spanking. God spanked the Russians when the Soviet collapsed which was the earthquake that was good for Russia as He divided Orthodox (Russia) from Muslim (the Stans). God is shaking the world and is sifting it. The Muslim Turkic peoples are uniting. This will take a few years. Erdogan was just hailed recently in Azerbaijan as the “standard bearer of new Ottomanism” and Ilham Aliyev, the president of Azerbaijan is keen to build an alliance with Turkey, and clearly sees common cause in a shared dislike of Armenia. The Muslim Tatar in Crimea is already complaining about Russia who is expanding their borders into the Ukraine while the Muslim is expanding his.

It is always crucial to understand, the war is not only against Israel, but satan’s attempt to destroy spiritual Israel: all who love The Trinity. It is the war between the heretic and the Orthodox. While Israel is in the plan of redemption and is the center of the eye in the coming storm, it is always crucial to understand correct theology and not just carry Israeli flags and no matter what Netanyahu says the masses bow. We shall reprimand Israel for its support for homosexuality, its corruption, and its turning Jerusalem where our Lord was crucified into Sodom. Is it any wonder why God says:

And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. (Revelation 11:8)

The Lord opened my eyes the moment we began to fight homosexuality. Our major pro-Israel wealthy funder gave us an instant call asking us to stop. It was a choice between the largest donations and the war on homosexuality. Everyone knows where we stand. We lost the funding. Many who accuse us of doing things for money should be utterly ashamed of themselves.

Scripture isolation is the devil’s best tool. When we examine Scripture we must examine everything. So when someone says “Kings of the East,” with 200 million-man army invading Israel, we should first carefully examine the text. The first trick of the devil is simple: isolating text.

In Matthew 2:1 “wise men” or “kings” from the east came to Israel to visit Jesus in the manger. Where these Chinese? No. And in Revelation 16:10 “the great river Euphrates was dried up” to “make way of the kings of the east”.

China is but one king and the Bible says “kings” which encompass several nations. East of the Euphrates we have Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan uniting with Turkey Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Azerbaijan and Tajikistanand, even Indonesia east of the Euphrates.


19 posted on 10/09/2015 7:59:21 PM PDT by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE USA OF TWO USA CITIZENS)
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To: Rembrandt
In the Navy....
20 posted on 10/09/2015 8:28:21 PM PDT by traumer
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