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To: DoughtyOne

Trump has several good points. Immigration is one. Fighting back is one. Not taking GOP crap is one.

But if we forget that he also has far from conservative positions like his healthcare nonsense, we are exactly no different than Obamazombies standing at the styrofoam greek pillars experiencing religious epiphany.

We have to remember he isn’t Reagan. He does not have super powers and if and likely when he wins, it is not going to be what all this adoration for him projects. Thats ‘us’ telling ourselves things he is that he flatly told us he isn’t.

Sure he’s better than anyone but Cruz running. Look at who is running. Leftists. Hard Leftists. Of course he looks great. Of course his positions are mostly better.

Some are actually worse. And we are utter fools if we do not remember that.


130 posted on 09/24/2015 11:48:04 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart
We have to remember he isn’t Reagan. He does not have super powers and if and likely when he wins, it is not going to be what all this adoration for him projects. Thats ‘us’ telling ourselves things he is that he flatly told us he isn’t.

I agree with what you're saying, Trump is a deeply flawed candidate in spite of the fact that he's doing the conservative movement a great service by A. putting immigration and the national question at the forefront and B. helping to sink Jeb's candidacy.

However, let's not forget that Reagan wasn't exactly flawless either - while we're on the subject of immigration, recall that he effectively granted amnesty to illegals in 1986 (and when challenged by members of his own party, he said that he couldn't see what the big deal is).

The bottom line is that if you want a perfect candidate, you'll be waiting a long time. The question is whether there's a candidate who is both electable and acceptable. Cruz is certainly acceptable but isn't able to build a mass following. Trump is able to build a mass following but has said and done some things that ought to trouble conservatives. As to the rest of the pack, they're generally even worse than either on both counts.

151 posted on 09/24/2015 11:54:29 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: Norm Lenhart

The one redeeming quality I always felt Trump had was the belief that at least he would put together an incredible cabinet and incredible advisers. But when I see him act the way he does when someone criticizes him, it leads me to believe he will surround himself with nothing more than yes-men. That in combination with the fact that he knows very little about being a commander in chief and very little about most things outside business, should bring pause.
For a man who is so celebrated for his boisterous personality, he has some incredibly thin skin.


157 posted on 09/24/2015 11:56:00 AM PDT by BuckeyeGOP
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To: Norm Lenhart

“We have to remember he isn’t Reagan. “

Trump is America’s Nigel Farage.


178 posted on 09/24/2015 12:09:01 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "Forward lies the crown, and onward is the goal.")
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To: Norm Lenhart
Thank you Norm.

Trump has several good points. Immigration is one. Fighting back is one. Not taking GOP crap is one.

I appreciate you mentioning some things you agree with him on.  I bet you like his stance on the Second Amendment too.  Next week I think you'll find some things to like about his tax policy.

I'm pretty sure you agree with him that the EPA and Department of Education need to be looked at real hard, to see if we need them any longer.  He appears to be thinking we don't.


But if we forget that he also has far from conservative positions like his healthcare nonsense, we are exactly no different than Obamazombies standing at the styrofoam greek pillars experiencing religious epiphany.

Norm, you lose me here.  It's not because your words wouldn't move me if they were true, but Norm, they aren't true.

Obamacare is unquestionably designed to wind up with a single payer government run plan.  I think I'm safe in saying that's close to universally our perception of Obamacare.

By contrast, Trump advocates a private sector replacement, with the government out of it.  He wants to see state lines lowered so insurance companies can compete nationwide.  He views that to result in competitively priced policies, and a variety of new products.  Isn't that a healthy approach?  That isn't the same as Obamacare.  It's diametrically opposed to Obamacare.  One views the government to be the driver, and the other envisions the government out of health care.

The one problem as I see it is the 45 million currently uninsured.  Isn't it interesting that 45 million was the reason for Obamacare, and yet there they are still uncovered?

Trump wants to see these folks covered.  That will trouble Conservatives unless this can grasp this point.  The uninsured were always covered by the federal government if they presented to an emergency room and couldn't pay their bill.

There must be a better way to cover these people.  Perhaps high deductable plans could be offered with lower premiums, as this would limit any government exposure to $10,000 or some such.

Players from the private sector, health care providers, and insurance companies will have to sit down and come up with a fix.  That could wind up being a lot better than what was taking place before Obamacare.  It could save the federal government a lot of money even if it did wind up having to pay that deductable in the end.  The insurance companies would pick up the rest.


We have to remember he isn’t Reagan. He does not have super powers and if and likely when he wins, it is not going to be what all this adoration for him projects. Thats ‘us’ telling ourselves things he is that he flatly told us he isn’t.

Norm, nobody is going to wind up being Reagan.  We can hope for the best and hold Trump to his word as best we can.  Tell me Norm, do you think Bush was the next Reagan?  I don't believe you think he was.  He screwed us too.  Trump will do some things we don't like.  I guarantee it.  He will also do some things we like very much.  Did Bush do a lot of things we liked very much?  I appreciated his Iraq War efforts.  Many Conservatives don't.  You set that aside, Bush was a disaster.

Will Trump wind up being a disaster?  I dont' believe that for a moment.  He's talking about paying down the debt.  None of the others talk of that.  They talk about reducing spending.  He's talking about rebuilding the miliary and addressing our infrastructure.  This is done by increased revenues from putting people back to work and spending less on government support to the non-working segment of our populace.

Trump won't be pefect.  It would be childish to think so.  None the less I think the guy will be very good for the nation overall.


Sure he’s better than anyone but Cruz running. Look at who is running. Leftists. Hard Leftists. Of course he looks great. Of course his positions are mostly better.

This is true, and isn't that what our goal is after all.

Some are actually worse. And we are utter fools if we do not remember that.

I believe you are correct here.

I do like Cruz with some exceptions.  I would like to see a Trump/Cruz 2016 ticket.  Cruz could help Trump make fewer mistakes.

Make no mistake about it though, Trump will also help Cruz not to make them.  When it comes to our economy and gettig thing back on trask as a nation, Trump is very qualified.  I look forward to seeing what they can do together for this nation.


186 posted on 09/24/2015 12:14:14 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (It's beginning to look like "Morning in America" again. Comment on YouTube under Trump Free Ride.)
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