Parents Indicted in Death of Their 11-Month-Old Son Who Died After Ingesting Heroin

yahoo.com ^ | September 22, 2015

[Roman_War_Criminal]

Can’t help but not state the obvious when it comes to drug users.

This is the result of drugs and the supposedly “victimless crime of drug use”.

[ConservingFreedom]

the original article no more establishes that (as DL implied) heroin use is not a victimless crime than the incident I cite establishes that alcohol use is not a victimless crime.

Stupid criminal behavior is never a victimless crime.... on that I think we can agree

That would be true if the only criminal statutes on the books were against acts that have unwilling victims; sad to say, that is not the case. Leaving heroin where a child can get at it is an act that has a victim - but the heroin laws are much broader than that.

[ConservingFreedom]

the supposedly “victimless crime of drug use”.

When childless people use drugs, is there a victim? I can't see any. If there is a victim, is there also a victim when childless people use the drug alcohol - and what should be the public policy conclusion from that?

[Roman_War_Criminal]

Mind-altering drugs (legal/illegal) always have victims, all you have to do is read the news to see for yourself.

Or do you not care and just want it all legalized?

[ConservingFreedom]

When childless people use drugs, is there a victim? I can't see any. If there is a victim, is there also a victim when childless people use the drug alcohol - and what should be the public policy conclusion from that?

Mind-altering drugs (legal/illegal) always have victims, all you have to do is read the news to see for yourself.

I'm not sure what you mean here by "always" ... every time any person consumes an alcoholic beverage, that act has a victim? I definitely haven't seen that in the news.

[Nifster]

you try waaaaay to hard

[ConservingFreedom]

I guess I should emulate you and post merely for the thrill of seeing my typing on the Internet.

[Nifster]

You already do

[ConservingFreedom]

I already do emulate you in that? Skillfully parried.

[ConservingFreedom]

Baby-sitter charged over drunken toddler
Chicago Tribune ^ | December 29, 2005

Posted on 12/29/2005, 10:24:58 AM by Kaslin

PATCHOGUE, NEW YORK -- A 37-year-old man was arraigned Wednesday on child-endangerment charges after one of two toddlers he was baby-sitting was found drunk, authorities said.

Suffolk County sheriff's deputies investigating a family court case peered through the window of a Patchogue home Tuesday and said they saw Juan Reyes passed out with the children wandering around.

They roused Reyes, who was the only adult at home with the two toddlers, ages 2 and 3, according to the sheriff's office. The deputies said Reyes appeared intoxicated.

The deputies also said the 2-year-old was having difficulty standing, had bloodshot eyes and smelled of alcohol. Tests at a hospital found he was legally drunk.

At the time of incident, the children's parents were at a hospital, where the mother was giving birth.

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