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Very sad story. It is my understanding the wrong type of gun lock was used but I am not knowlegabe enough about all the details of the case.
1 posted on 09/12/2015 2:09:37 PM PDT by Kid Shelleen
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To: Kid Shelleen

If it was suicide, the kid would have found another way to do it if the gun wasn’t available.


2 posted on 09/12/2015 2:13:19 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Restore Liberty!)
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"Owning a gun for personal protection is not a good idea," he said.

I'm sorry his son committed suicide, but this is not a strong argument. At all.

3 posted on 09/12/2015 2:13:24 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Cruz is still my #1, but Trump is impressing the hell out of me.)
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Gee, guns are dangerous....who knew?


4 posted on 09/12/2015 2:13:52 PM PDT by dfwgator
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IF the kid went to that much trouble to kill himself, then the fix was in. If he hadn’t used a gun, he would have found something else.


5 posted on 09/12/2015 2:14:45 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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"I am convinced if I didn't have a gun in the house, Cayman would be alive today," he said.

Sorry for his loss, but if his son was truly suicidal and he as a parent was not aware then his child would have killed himself some other way if a gun wasn't handy, plenty of people have committed suicide by hanging . If it was suicide by hanging would the brady group have reached out to use his loss to their advantage?

6 posted on 09/12/2015 2:15:58 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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It’s a cruel world. If the kid hadn’t been able to get a gun, he’d have jumped off something high, or off something not-so-high with a rope around his neck, ingested something poisonous, sliced himself open. Or just taken a walk through the wrong ‘hood at night...


8 posted on 09/12/2015 2:23:08 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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Maybe only half what he said is true.. don’t know were not there!!! Maybe he forgot to put on the gun lock...


9 posted on 09/12/2015 2:24:29 PM PDT by tallyhoe
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Just curious. Is there a single part of this story that isn't bogus? Was there even a real suicide?

Is there anyone or has there ever been a person in this family who isn't or wasn't weak in the mind?

10 posted on 09/12/2015 2:24:33 PM PDT by stevem
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” the gun Naib thought he had so carefully concealed. “

He should have tried a better hiding place like this....
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3334549/posts


11 posted on 09/12/2015 2:26:54 PM PDT by patq
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“I suffered a deeply tragic, personal loss...where is the limelight?”


12 posted on 09/12/2015 2:28:48 PM PDT by Jagdgewehr (It will take blood.)
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“Farid Naib”

Allah ackbar?


13 posted on 09/12/2015 2:37:44 PM PDT by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same.)
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Very sad. A lot of us were taught gun handling from age 5 by our fathers. Even our mothers knew how to handle, fire and clean their gun. It was not big deal. All of a sudden we have a bunch of “super” smart people who are afraid to teach their children what a gun is for and not use it except for that purpose. Most Americans, until about the 1960s and 70s knew how to handle a gun. Until the mid 80s, Texans hand their rifles stashed on a rack against the back window of their trucks, even high school kids. NOW??? The girly boy legislatores have made that illegal. A shame.


16 posted on 09/12/2015 2:54:31 PM PDT by tillacum
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Sad, but if a kid wants to kill himself he'll find a way.

And gun control doesn't look like his only liberal cause.

17 posted on 09/12/2015 2:55:15 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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I’ve managed to dry-fire a handgun _with_ a trigger lock firmly attached.


18 posted on 09/12/2015 2:55:33 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (The world map will be quite different come 20 January 2017.)
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Sad my petunia. Some father ignores the warning signs of their child and then wants me to give up my God given right?

I think not.

The father obviously only had a pair once.


19 posted on 09/12/2015 2:56:43 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (I thought Ethanol was the devil, now i find it is America is an Oligarchy)
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Dollars to doughnuts the deceased was government educated.
You see, public schools are a tool by which Darkness plants malware / Trojan viruses into the human psyche within every subject the “preach”.


20 posted on 09/12/2015 2:57:21 PM PDT by Original Lurker
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In cases of suicide, if a gun isn’t available, they will find other methods. These people are mentally ill.

In such a case, there was much planning and intentionality. Suicides have nothing to do with guns, everything to do with childhood neglect and abuse and inability of loving, good parents to “see” or understand or control the worldview/ideas of their children. Usually, they let strangers who they should never trust “teach” and program their children, unlike in Lincoln’s day. Allowing screens to take over Life/human interactions is dehumanization.

Lose control over shaping their worldview/concepts-—and you will not know how or what they think...at all. Controlling influences and ideas (their culture) determine worldview and outlook.

My sister committed suicide with a gun. If it wasn’t a gun, it would have been drugs. There should be no gun control “laws” for law-abiding people EVER. The parents have a duty of promoting Virtue (wisdom/Common Sense) to their children-—and that is done by the family unit-—parents of both sexes, and the extended biological family or Chrisitan charity only. Not govt. institutions which are dehumanizing and evil (corrupt always, since it is power), like orphanages.

Those who truly care about the child will also control the peers they play with in early childhood—and even after. Understanding the mindset of their playmates is essential, since peer pressure is extremely powerful in the “teen” and younger age group to form self “identity” concepts and install “normal” habits of virtue.

Worldview controls all acts. Virtue is taught and habituated in early childhood (Aristotle) and only Classical Education which includes the Bible, instills virtue in children. It is why morality is disappearing-—all the ideas of The Age of Reason are being warped and destroyed in Common Core so children are literally unable to “think critically”. They “know” nothing of the Wisdom of the Ages which created the most abstract thinking in the history of mankind.

Without God, everything is permissible (Dostoevsky). Without God in your children’s worldview, there is no Objective Truth— good and evil.

Suicide is normal, as is abortion, and sodomy and theft and welfare (theft), etc. That is a satanic or muslim ethics system-—not the one which created the US Constitution and true Justice System, which is based on Individual Natural Rights from God only which predates ALL governments.

Suicide “thoughts” are a mental illness, and a godless issue, and has nothing to do with “gun control”. Common Sense and safety issues had nothing to do with this “death” of a child.


23 posted on 09/12/2015 3:00:42 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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The boy was missing for 5 days, was found 150 yards from his house, and K9 S&R and search parties missed it? In March of 2015 in PA? No tracks in the snow?

Dad is a stock trading app guru of some kind, as well ad ceo of high profile, high security document storage. The mom is a dancer/choreographer. Lots of money.

Weren’t bankers and traders being suicided to death by the score earlier this year?

I am on a snark roll today, but I’m gonna go ahead and call BS on this one, too.


25 posted on 09/12/2015 3:14:16 PM PDT by CaptainPhilFan
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It’s more gun-proof your kids, not kid-proof your guns.
IF the kid was suicidal to start with, he’d find another way to do it.


26 posted on 09/12/2015 3:17:05 PM PDT by lgjhn23 (It's easy to be liberal when you're dumber than a box of rocks.)
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I don’t mean this to come across as callous but how did the kid get to this point to WANT to commit suicide?

I’m sitting here thinking growing up all the guns were kept in the kitchen out in the open, the doors weren’t locked and you didn’t get supper until all the chores were done and you didn’t go to bed until all the homework was done.

What has changed so much that we have come to this place? I don’t remember one student even thinking about taking their life while growing up!


27 posted on 09/12/2015 3:26:15 PM PDT by conservativesister
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