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Father who lost son warns parents on guns
Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | 09/11/2015 | Mari A. Schaefer,

Posted on 09/12/2015 2:09:37 PM PDT by Kid Shelleen

The handgun was hidden, the trigger locked, and the key stashed away. Farid Naib said he did everything a responsible parent with a weapon in the house should do for his family's safety.

But in March, he buried his 13-year-old son, who shot and killed himself with the gun Naib thought he had so carefully concealed.

Now Naib is appearing in a video produced by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Violence - and released to coincide with National Suicide Prevention Week - to warn parents about the dangers of having a gun in the home

(Excerpt) Read more at philly.com ...


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To: Original Lurker

the = they


21 posted on 09/12/2015 2:57:55 PM PDT by Original Lurker
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To: volunbeer
I had to admit that maybe it might make sense for a person with toddlers to carry their semi-automatic without one in the pipe if it’s not on their person.

Indeed, what I do.

You have to evaluate the odds: sometimes the risk (likelihood & outcome) of actual violent assault is less than the risk of young kids doing something stupid, government carrying out unconstitutional but in-force laws, or some other risk.

22 posted on 09/12/2015 2:58:43 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (The world map will be quite different come 20 January 2017.)
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To: Kid Shelleen

In cases of suicide, if a gun isn’t available, they will find other methods. These people are mentally ill.

In such a case, there was much planning and intentionality. Suicides have nothing to do with guns, everything to do with childhood neglect and abuse and inability of loving, good parents to “see” or understand or control the worldview/ideas of their children. Usually, they let strangers who they should never trust “teach” and program their children, unlike in Lincoln’s day. Allowing screens to take over Life/human interactions is dehumanization.

Lose control over shaping their worldview/concepts-—and you will not know how or what they think...at all. Controlling influences and ideas (their culture) determine worldview and outlook.

My sister committed suicide with a gun. If it wasn’t a gun, it would have been drugs. There should be no gun control “laws” for law-abiding people EVER. The parents have a duty of promoting Virtue (wisdom/Common Sense) to their children-—and that is done by the family unit-—parents of both sexes, and the extended biological family or Chrisitan charity only. Not govt. institutions which are dehumanizing and evil (corrupt always, since it is power), like orphanages.

Those who truly care about the child will also control the peers they play with in early childhood—and even after. Understanding the mindset of their playmates is essential, since peer pressure is extremely powerful in the “teen” and younger age group to form self “identity” concepts and install “normal” habits of virtue.

Worldview controls all acts. Virtue is taught and habituated in early childhood (Aristotle) and only Classical Education which includes the Bible, instills virtue in children. It is why morality is disappearing-—all the ideas of The Age of Reason are being warped and destroyed in Common Core so children are literally unable to “think critically”. They “know” nothing of the Wisdom of the Ages which created the most abstract thinking in the history of mankind.

Without God, everything is permissible (Dostoevsky). Without God in your children’s worldview, there is no Objective Truth— good and evil.

Suicide is normal, as is abortion, and sodomy and theft and welfare (theft), etc. That is a satanic or muslim ethics system-—not the one which created the US Constitution and true Justice System, which is based on Individual Natural Rights from God only which predates ALL governments.

Suicide “thoughts” are a mental illness, and a godless issue, and has nothing to do with “gun control”. Common Sense and safety issues had nothing to do with this “death” of a child.


23 posted on 09/12/2015 3:00:42 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: ClearCase_guy

exactly, more children are SAVED by guns being In the house than are accidently killed,- Many a home invasion has been stopped by the owner of house having a gun-

It’s tragic that the kid wanted to kill himself, and thwarted his father’s extensive efforts, but again, guns save morel ives than harm- The kid would have just found pills, or a razor blade or something else- the gun was NOT the cause of his death- the kid’s will to die was the cause of his death IF suicide was the case-


24 posted on 09/12/2015 3:01:04 PM PDT by Bob434
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To: Kid Shelleen

The boy was missing for 5 days, was found 150 yards from his house, and K9 S&R and search parties missed it? In March of 2015 in PA? No tracks in the snow?

Dad is a stock trading app guru of some kind, as well ad ceo of high profile, high security document storage. The mom is a dancer/choreographer. Lots of money.

Weren’t bankers and traders being suicided to death by the score earlier this year?

I am on a snark roll today, but I’m gonna go ahead and call BS on this one, too.


25 posted on 09/12/2015 3:14:16 PM PDT by CaptainPhilFan
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To: Kid Shelleen

It’s more gun-proof your kids, not kid-proof your guns.
IF the kid was suicidal to start with, he’d find another way to do it.


26 posted on 09/12/2015 3:17:05 PM PDT by lgjhn23 (It's easy to be liberal when you're dumber than a box of rocks.)
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To: Kid Shelleen

I don’t mean this to come across as callous but how did the kid get to this point to WANT to commit suicide?

I’m sitting here thinking growing up all the guns were kept in the kitchen out in the open, the doors weren’t locked and you didn’t get supper until all the chores were done and you didn’t go to bed until all the homework was done.

What has changed so much that we have come to this place? I don’t remember one student even thinking about taking their life while growing up!


27 posted on 09/12/2015 3:26:15 PM PDT by conservativesister
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To: CaptainPhilFan

My meter went into the red, too.


28 posted on 09/12/2015 3:29:02 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Kid Shelleen

Tragic story but if you son was willing to kill himself over failing a course at school he had more problems then you admit. I am sure it upsets you that he used your gun but what if the gun was not there and he used your car? Would you be speaking out against owning cars? Of course not. Nor should you be speaking out about guns. You should be speaking out about better mental health care........


29 posted on 09/12/2015 3:46:05 PM PDT by 48th SPS Crusader (I am an American. Not a Republican or a Democrat)
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To: Darksheare

“Farid Naib”...Allah ackbar?”

I’m reading between the lines, too, Darsheare.


30 posted on 09/12/2015 3:51:39 PM PDT by kiltie65
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To: Kid Shelleen; All

So let me get this straight.

Gun locks do not work?

If this was the case there would be nationwide headlines from every MSM outlet about the danger of gun locks along with lawsuits of gun lock companies out the wazoo. As we are seeing NONE of those this occur, I can only surmise that his story is bogus. And being that he is in bed with the Brady campaign, I am utterly convinced that his story is not true.


31 posted on 09/12/2015 3:54:53 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength, obama loves America)
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To: volunbeer
You have to feel sorry for this guy.

No I don't. Not when he gets in front of cameras and 1) lies about the gun lock not working, and 2) trying to take away my rights because of his suicidal son.
32 posted on 09/12/2015 3:57:11 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength, obama loves America)
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To: ClearCase_guy

And if his son used say...a bottle of aspirin, or other pain killers, would he want the world to give that up too?? I am SORRY he lost his son. What a heartache! But he just isn’t making sense.


33 posted on 09/12/2015 4:03:20 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (Liberals need to be caged for the safety of human beings. (FReeper Norm Lenhart))
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Naib thought wrong.

And if the son died fighting for the Country, what then?


34 posted on 09/12/2015 4:07:40 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: ctdonath2
I’ve managed to dry-fire a handgun _with_ a trigger lock firmly attached.

So, who in the crap puts a trigger lock on a loaded firearm?

35 posted on 09/12/2015 4:11:26 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: Kid Shelleen

I agree with comments about suicidal people finding a way to kill themselves. However, adults should properly secure their firearms when they are not in personal control of them. This is useful not only for deterring suicides and preventing accidents but also for deterring theft.

The article makes it clear that the man did NOT properly secure the gun. Besides having a good lock on the trigger, there should not have been a round in the chamber, the gun should have been hidden, AND the lock key should have been in the man’s possession, NOT HIDDEN. It’s very likely the kid had seen the man get the key from its hiding place.


36 posted on 09/12/2015 4:12:02 PM PDT by beenhereforever
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To: Kid Shelleen

Very sad, indeed.

But even with no gun in the house, they are out there and this kid would h a ve killed himself with a different gun or drugs or a rope. There are close to 400 million guns in this country, and they aren’t going away. People have to deal with their existence - parents, the Brady freaks, the UN and the would be tyrants who wish to disarm us.


37 posted on 09/12/2015 4:27:11 PM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Kids left alone have nothing better to do than ransack the house looking for things they’re not supposed to know about.

Sad for the family, but shame on the Brady Bunch for glomming on to such a tragedy for their leftist political gain.


38 posted on 09/12/2015 4:29:23 PM PDT by PLMerite ("The issue is never the issue. The issue is the Revolution.")
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To: kiltie65

Good to see I’m not the only one who noticed.


39 posted on 09/12/2015 4:34:01 PM PDT by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

“I’m sorry his son committed suicide, but this is not a strong argument, at all.”......

I’ll second that motion. No matter how the father tried to conceal and control that weapon, his son would have used another method or tool the commit suicide.


40 posted on 09/12/2015 4:51:09 PM PDT by DaveA37
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