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Conservatives, Be Careful What You Wish For In the “Kim Davis” Case
Townhall ^ | 09/09/2015 | Bob Barr

Posted on 09/09/2015 9:32:21 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Imagine waking up to the news that a Quaker county sheriff is denying concealed carry permits to citizens because of his religious objection to violence; or, a Muslim DMV supervisor in Dearborn, Michigan has ordered his staff to refuse to issue driver’s licenses to women out of a religious objection to women behind the wheel. These are among the realities that await should we make Kim Davis, the embattled County Clerk from Rowan County, Kentucky, an archetype for “religious freedom” in America.

In 1802, Thomas Jefferson replied to a letter from the Danbury Baptist Association of Connecticut in which he outlined a concept for the First Amendment’s application as it relates to religion. According to Jefferson, the Amendment creates a “wall of separation between Church & State,” to which “the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions.” While Jefferson’s concept of a wall separating the Church and State has been used in a modern context by the Left to justify its radical purge of any and all religious artifacts from the public sector -- particularly those of Christianity – Jefferson rather was simply warning about the power of government, compelled by a dominant sect of religion, to corrupt and oppress religious liberty of all worshipers.

As an elected government official and public employee, Davis took an oath to uphold the law, and cannot properly use her power as an elected official to deny marriage licenses to couples found by the Supreme Court of the United States to be entitled to receive those licenses. This is not a question of whether or not we agree with that Supreme Court ruling; it most definitely is a question of whether we are – as Chief Justice John Marshall noted in his seminal, 1803 opinion in Marbury v. Madison – a “nation of laws, not of men.”

To permit a public official to pick and choose the laws they decide to honor based on their personal religious views – regardless of whether we agree with those views -- would open the floodgates for any government official, from local police chief or tax assessor, to the President of the United States, to make access to essential government services or basic civil rights contingent not on the Constitution, but subservient to an unwritten code of personal beliefs. One need only look to the Obama Administration to see how such a government would operate, when laws and the Constitution are subject to the personal whims of whoever is wielding the levers of power at any particular time.

This is where the controversy swirling around Davis is doing the most damage. Rather than discussing factors at the heart of the controversy -- such as the overreach of the Supreme Court in Obergefell v. Hodges, or the shortsightedness of the Kentucky legislature in protecting the conscience of those under its purview with special accommodations similar to what has been created in North Carolina -- the debate once again has oversimplified a complex and fundamentally important issue into two divisive camps. For many well-intentioned conservatives on the right, the Davis controversy has turned “religious freedom” into the right of Christian government employees to disregard a law they find unconscionable; meanwhile the Left is shouting their tired refrain that a claim of religious freedom is a Trojan horse for discrimination against gays.

Both arguments miss the mark widely, and further endanger an already fragile notion of “religious liberty” in America.

The virulent reaction of the Left to this controversy, and laws such as Indiana’s Religious Freedom Restoration Act, leaves little doubt about the Left’s “respect” for religious freedom, and highlight the need protect it from further erosion. Yet, as the Davis controversy also illustrates, protecting religious freedom is not as black and white as the media and the political rhetoric make it out to be. It requires a far more thoughtful approach to articulating its fundamental importance in our society than rushing to make every perceived injustice the focal point of such a debate.

Using the wrong examples to make our case for religious freedom only further ingrains the disrespect for religious freedom and the rule of law so desperately needed in the public and the private sectors; and encourages use of the “Wall-of-Separation” phrase as a bludgeon against religion, rather than a protector of it.

It is regrettable that Kim Davis was jailed, and as former San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom’s lawless “gay marriage” protest shows, clearly the Left does not hold itself to the same standards as it does with Davis. However, what is happening to Davis is not about the sincerity of her religious beliefs, or even the morality of gay marriage. Placing her on a pedestal will likely come back to haunt her supporters.

And perhaps those who find a government for which they work so morally repugnant as does Kim Davis, would better serve the public they have sworn to serve, from outside rather than inside.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Kentucky; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 2016election; bobbarr; conservatism; election2016; gaymarriage; kentucky; kimdavis; libertarianagenda; newyork; trump
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1 posted on 09/09/2015 9:32:21 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Kim Davis was following the LAW. She refused to obey a judge’s request, and instead followed the LAW on the books. To my knowledge the LAW has not been revoked.


2 posted on 09/09/2015 9:35:07 AM PDT by Theo (May Christ be exalted above all.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Imagine waking in world where unelected liberal five supreme court justices don’t just get to “make up” the most profound and controversial “laws”


3 posted on 09/09/2015 9:35:14 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: SeekAndFind

Baloney. Religious freedom and the right to keep and bear arms are the first two unalienable rights listed on the Bill of Rights!

Homo marriage is bullshit!! Literally.

You want a civil war, bring it on!!


4 posted on 09/09/2015 9:36:08 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Davis took an oath to uphold the law

And there is the gist...please, dear writer, tell me, which law did Davis break?

5 posted on 09/09/2015 9:36:14 AM PDT by dware (Trump/Cruz 2016, or get ready for 8 more dummycrat years)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m sure German bureaucrats made this same arguments circa 1937.


6 posted on 09/09/2015 9:36:38 AM PDT by JohnKinAK
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To: SeekAndFind
Imagine waking up to the news that a Quaker county sheriff is denying concealed carry permits to citizens because of his religious objection to violence;

"Wake up to"? This kind of stuff is already happening, and has been happening for year.

7 posted on 09/09/2015 9:36:53 AM PDT by Fido969
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To: SeekAndFind
or, a Muslim DMV supervisor in Dearborn, Michigan has ordered his staff to refuse to issue driver’s licenses to women out of a religious objection to women behind the wheel.

A stronger Muslim case would be to refuse to issue liquor licenses. -Tom

8 posted on 09/09/2015 9:37:28 AM PDT by Capt. Tom
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<...a Muslim DMV supervisor in Dearborn, Michigan has ordered his staff to refuse to issue driver’s licenses to women out of a religious objection to women behind the wheel.

Completely specious argument. The Supreme Court just didn't make up some dictum regarding women drivers within the last 90 days. If some Muslim got hired knowing he had a problem issuing women driver's licenses then that is on the hiring agency.

On the other hand, about women drivers...

9 posted on 09/09/2015 9:37:30 AM PDT by Obadiah (Mr. Obama, the time for honoring yourself will soon be at an end.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Let me guess..Barr is about to run for something in 2016...president, congress..dogcatcher??


10 posted on 09/09/2015 9:37:53 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: SeekAndFind
Imagine waking up to the news that a Quaker county sheriff is denying concealed carry permits to citizens because of his religious objection to violence; or, a Muslim DMV supervisor in Dearborn, Michigan has ordered his staff to refuse to issue driver’s licenses to women out of a religious objection to women behind the wheel. These are among the realities that await should we make Kim Davis, the embattled County Clerk from Rowan County, Kentucky, an archetype for “religious freedom” in America.

Hyperbole. There are ways around these religious objections even in the cases where it is an actual law.
11 posted on 09/09/2015 9:37:53 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.)
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...a Muslim DMV supervisor in Dearborn, Michigan has ordered his staff to refuse to issue driver’s licenses to women out of a religious objection to women behind the wheel.

Completely specious argument. The Supreme Court just didn't make up some dictum regarding women drivers within the last 90 days. If some Muslim got hired knowing he had a problem issuing women driver's licenses then that is on the hiring agency.

On the other hand, about women drivers...

12 posted on 09/09/2015 9:37:54 AM PDT by Obadiah (Mr. Obama, the time for honoring yourself will soon be at an end.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ve thought about this a bit and Davis seems to be in between a rock and a hard place, regardless of her religious beliefs.

It is my understanding that it is a felony in TN to issue a same-sex marriage license. So essentially, the federal judge is demanding she commit a felony.

Now, the law itself may not pass muster under what passes for Supreme Court jurisprudence, but that’s not her call.

The correct defendant appears to be the State of TN, whose legislature should be ordered to make a law that complies with the SC decision, not some lowly clerk.

Not a lawyer here, just an rocket scientist.


13 posted on 09/09/2015 9:38:45 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: SeekAndFind

No wonder we lost the impeachment case against Bill Clinton. Was Bob Barr ever sane?


14 posted on 09/09/2015 9:38:54 AM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: SeekAndFind

Bob Barr can shove it.

There were OTHER WAYS for the homosexuals who demanded a piece of paper to get it...apparently a judge offered to issue the sheet they wanted. The two men refused. Instead, it seems they wanted to FORCE Kim Davis to do something against her religion.

Bob Barr doesn’t like to think very much, or investigate things, does he?

Why did Townhall print this screed?


15 posted on 09/09/2015 9:39:24 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SeekAndFind

Go away, Bob. You understand nothing of this issue.

Thankful that our congressional district rejected you last year!


16 posted on 09/09/2015 9:41:30 AM PDT by Prov1322 (Enjoy my wife's incredible artwork at www.watercolorARTwork.com! (This space no longer for rent))
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This is not a question of whether or not we agree with that Supreme Court ruling.

Actually it is, Bob. No court clerk is obligated to follow what is in fact NOT legally legislated. We do not recognize homosexual "marriages" in the same way we do not recognize the courts as legislative bodies.

17 posted on 09/09/2015 9:41:45 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (Even the compassion of the wicked is cruel.)
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To: Fido969

We might end up in a society where it wasn’t practical to require government approval and licenses for actions.


18 posted on 09/09/2015 9:43:48 AM PDT by conejo99
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To: SeekAndFind

Barr missed it big time. This is not about religious convictions. It is about unelected officials acting in a lawless manner and overturning centuries of common law and democratically established laws. To simply frame this as a religious liberty issue is misleading.

And yes it is about double standards, Bob rightfully uses Obamah as an example of disregarding the law but he uses it as proof that the rest of need to conform to any lawless decree.

Hey BOB, when the courts decree that anti-gay sermons are not protected speech will submit to pastors being barred from getting a license? Wouldn’t want to break the law.


19 posted on 09/09/2015 9:44:27 AM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: SeekAndFind

And just think, all of this could have been avoided if a few judges did not deem gay “marriage” to be a right. Yawn.

And I cant tell you how many stories I have read in the last year of how many sheriffs are refusing it issue CCW in shall issue areas. No outrage over that in the media.


20 posted on 09/09/2015 9:45:33 AM PDT by eXe (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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