Posted on 08/28/2015 7:44:54 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy
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Ann Coulter pointed out a huge item that hasn’t been discussed in that opening of the 14th amendment. She highlighted BOTH “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” BUT she also highlighted “of the state in which they RESIDE.”
RESIDE is a legal term and not just describing where you might have laid down your sleeping bag last night.
It is talking about RESIDENCE in a state.
The elephant in the room that no one seems to remember is that, according to Numbers USA, the USA and Canada are the only two 1st world countries on the planet that allow birthright citizenship and a number of civilized countries have repealed birthright in the last few years - including Australia, New Zealand, Ireland.
Question: if an illegal alien has a child in the US they receive a birth certificate from the hospital and it is registered with the State Records office. When they need a passport for the chikd, they just have to send the US state registered birth certificate, a photo and money to the State Department. There is nothing on the application that asks if the parents are citizens. So how can this process be stopped? Are we going to ask hospitals to prove citizenship of the parents?
That’s a good point. How do we stop it? Exactly right...we ask for proof of US citizenship or long term residence in the state of at least one of the parents. Otherwise, issue a ‘statement of live birth’ and refer them to their national embassy.
Found this... interesting their take on the 14th ammendment (it is NPR). So in TX the State is asking the parents to show ID but they don’t care if that’s issued by a foreign country (at least they didn’t use to care).
I recall when we had a real immigration system and the kids parents had to assimilate (learn English and pass the citizenship test)and children they had here were natural born as both parents were then US citizens. A number of the men I served with had parents who went through Ellis Island. Whether Polish, Irish, or Italians they all paid their dues. Had we not allowed Ted Kennedy to screw up the Immigration Reform Act of the 60’s we would not have people here from countries we never allowed here before.
Here’s another one for ya.
It is talking about RESIDENCE in a state.
Oh so true, dear brother in Christ! Illegal immigrant mothers who come to the United States to have their children (so as to make them instant "citizens" of the United States) are not residents of the U.S. or of any State.
Plus they owe no allegiance to the United States. Certainly, their children do not.
Much more to say on this issue. Maybe I'll get to it this afternoon.
I thought they ended it in 1870. That's like 14 decades ago. :)
Nice take.
Exellent point.
if being born on the soil does not convey citizenship status... but instead, citizenship of the child must come from the parents, then there's an issue.
in order to convey citizenship from Dec. 24, 1952 and prior to Nov. 14, 1986:
“Citizen parent physically present in U.S. or possession 10 year prior to child’s birth, five of which after age 14.”
http://photos.state.gov/libraries/unitedkingdom/164203/cons-acs/transmission_tables.pdf
this would mean, by law, stanley anne dunham wasn't old enough to transfer citizenship to her son when she gave birth @ 18.
this would leave the child's citizenship to come from the father.
therefore, 0bama is not even a US citizen, tho he could apply for naturalization, but rather a kenyan citizen. and definitely not eligible under the 'natural born citizen' clause.
The Bloviator explained this away by stating with that absolute smug certitude (which only he can radiate with such effectiveness) that he could find NO constitutional expert/attorney who argues against the fact that anchor babies are legal citizens.
I guess he never heard of Mark Levin and scores like him...perhaps even the author of the above article.
O'Reilly is such an uninformed pinhead on things conservative. He pretends to be an "independent". However, scratch BO'R and you'll find a very well-educated social justice liberal to the core....except for a few of his pet causes.
Leni
Nor are they immigrants...
theyre illegal aliens...
Reside means to dwell permanently or continuously. It expresses an idea that a person keeps or returns to a particular dwelling place as his fixed, settled, or legal abode. The plain meaning of reside implies a continuous arrangement..... [Petrowsky v. Krause, 223 Wis. 2d 32, 36 (Wis. Ct. App. 1998)]....... It also refers to occupying a place which is one’s legal domicile.
Reside refers to staying somewhere permanently or continuously. It also refers to occupying a place which is one’s legal domicile.
For example, a Wisconsin Case law, Petrowsky v. Krause, 223 Wis. 2d 32, 36 (Wis. Ct. App. 1998), defines “reside” as follows:
“***The plain meaning of reside implies a continuous arrangement. The dictionary definition of reside is “to dwell permanently or continuously . . . expressing the idea that a person keeps or returns to a particular dwelling place as his fixed, settled, or legal abode.”..... Webster’s Third New International Dictionary 1931 (3d ed. 1993) (emphasis added)....... While we acknowledge that the term “reside” is also a legal term of art, here, the legal and general meanings are the same.
Black’s Law Dictionary defines the term by using phrases such as “settled,” “permanently,” and “continuously.” Black’s Law Dictionary 1308 (6-ed. 1990).
By violating a country’s immigration laws illegal aliens (illegal immigrants) prove themselves to be criminals by disrespecting the laws of the country they are trespassing into. And also by such action(s) illegal aliens (illegal immigrants) also prove that they do not believe in the rule of law.
Illegal aliens (illegal immigrants) often try to proclaim they have civil rights equal to the citizens, of the nation they have trespassed. They do not have civil rights outside of their respective countries of origin except by international treaties.
Illegal immigrants (illegal aliens) proclaim they pay income taxes to the government. They cannot do so as they do not have legitimate tax payer ids with which to do so. The tax payer ids illegal immigrants (illegal aliens) use are stolen - e.g. identity theft.
I haven’t had this much fun since the last “what is the definition of natural-born citizen” thread.
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