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Democrats Look at Plan B: Joe Biden as a One-Term President, with Elizabeth Warren as His VP
National Review ^ | 08/23/2015 | John Fund

Posted on 08/23/2015 5:39:24 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Joe Biden had good reasons to huddle privately with Elizabeth Warren on Saturday at his official residence. The Massachusetts senator may have chosen not to run next year, but her populist rhetoric and agenda dominate the 2016 Democratic contest. Should Biden challenge Hillary Clinton for the nomination, he will need either Warren’s neutrality or her blessing.

Socialist Bernie Sanders isn’t the only candidate pounding the drums of class warfare. Hillary claims “the deck is still stacked in favor of those at the top,” attacks high-level corporate salaries, and says that “we have to go beyond Dodd-Frank” in passing laws to rein in Wall Street firms. All of these themes are straight from Elizabeth Warren’s playbook and bear scant resemblance to the centrism that Bill Clinton embraced as president in the 1990s.

But Warren is stoutly refusing to endorse any candidate, so far preferring to use her leverage to influence the entire Democratic field. In an interview on Friday, she told WBZ in Boston: “I don’t think anyone has been anointed.”

A former law professor who came to prominence as a staunch critic of policies that make it easier for creditors to collect debts, Warren hasn’t forgotten that, as a senator, Hillary Clinton in 2001 backed a bankruptcy bill supported by the credit-card lobby. Biden, also a senator, backed a similar bill in 2005. No real surprise there, since Biden represented Delaware, the home of many credit-card issuers. But it’s still a black mark against him. (Clinton missed the 2005 vote.)

But Warren and other progressives have reasons to give Biden a fresh look as he mulls entering the race. They worry about what Donald Rumsfeld might call the “unknown unknowns” in Hillary’s closet. For months, Hillary’s advisers have assured liberal donors and officeholders there was nothing to the scandal surrounding her e-mails. Now with the FBI and Justice Department investigations launched and clear evidence that Hillary misled people in March about receiving classified e-mails on her private server, even many Democrats are reluctant to now take her at her word.

Paul Kahn, a liberal Yale law professor, summed up the angst of liberals about Hillary right now:

"Voters may turn to Hillary if the Republican candidate is a conservative extremist, but they are unlikely to change their views of her on the basis of some new campaign proposal. Her campaign will always be on the defensive, as we have seen in the latest controversy over the e-mail server. We live in fear of the next revelation about her or Bill, suspecting that there is plenty out there to reveal. Are we going to have to listen to her defending the flow of foreign money to the Foundation or the huge speaking fees coming from interested corporations? No one wants a campaign organized around such issues, but this is what a Hillary campaign will look like."

Biden recognizes he has his own liabilities: He is 73 years old, strays off message frequently, and would inevitably be tied to the shaky legacy of President Obama. But he also knows his assets. Voters view him as far more trustworthy than Hillary, he is free of scandal, and he has a “Regular Joe” persona that connects with ordinary voters — a likability that Hillary Clinton can’t match.

He also knows how to appeal to progressives. Biden has a more centrist reputation than his actual voting record in the Senate would indicate, and he has shown an eagerness to play the occasionally vicious attack dog against Republicans (just watch highlights of his 2012 debate with Paul Ryan, Mitt Romney’s running mate).

Biden has another card to play in soliciting Warren’s support. He would be 74 years old if he were elected president in 2016, an issue he may have a way of addressing. “One thing that I keep hearing about Biden is that if he were to declare and say, because age is such a problem for him if he does, ‘I want to be a one-term president. I want to serve for four years, unite Washington. I’ve dealt with the Republicans in Congress all my public life,’” liberal journalist Carl Bernstein told CNN this month.

A one-term pledge by Biden would also interest Elizabeth Warren. She is 66 years old, and if a Democrat wins in 2016, she will be 74 herself by the time someone else has served two terms in office — and facing her own age issues. But if Biden won, after pledging to serve only one term, Warren would be the front-runner for the Democratic nomination in 2020. If Biden made her his vice-presidential choice, as Yale’s Professor Kahn and others have suggested, she might be a virtual lock for the Democratic nomination.

Hillary Clinton is still the front-runner for the 2016 Democratic nomination, but she is also damaged goods as long as the e-mail scandal lingers. “It’s almost like a vampire,” California governor Jerry Brown said on Meet the Press today. “She’s going to have to find a stake and put it right through the heart of these e-mails.”

But Hillary may not be able to. This week’s New Yorker magazine reported:

"If Clinton and her aides swapped classified information over an unsecured e-mail system, they could be questioned about mishandling state secrets. That misdemeanor has ensnared several high office-holders in the recent past. In 2001, John Deutsch, President Clinton’s second CIA director, admitted to a single count of mishandling classified material because he kept top-secret files at home on a Macintosh connected to the open Internet. (Bill Clinton pardoned him.) In 2005, Samuel Berger, a former Clinton-administration national-security adviser, pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor, because, after leaving office — for reasons that remain unclear — he removed classified documents from the National Archives and destroyed them. Earlier this year, General David Petraeus pleaded to a misdemeanor after allowing his mistress and biographer to read sensitive notebooks that he kept when he ran the CIA."

You can bet that both Vice President Biden and Senator Warren are well aware of that history, which makes their decision to meet quickly and quietly this weekend all the more intriguing.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2016; 2016demprimary; 2016veep; biden2016; democrats; joebiden; johnfund; warren
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To: SeekAndFind
"Democrats Look at Plan B: Joe Biden as a One-Term President, with Elizabeth Warren as His VP"

Biden can spend the bulk of his truncated first term blaming the House, Senate and Supreme Court for giving comrade obama what he wanted before joe gets shipped off to obamacare gardens.
21 posted on 08/23/2015 5:55:21 PM PDT by clearcarbon
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To: nascarnation

What’s their slogan, “Joe and the squaw.”


22 posted on 08/23/2015 5:56:51 PM PDT by Ranger Warrior
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To: SeekAndFind

All this is an attempt to save the democrat party. When Hillary either steps down or is removed an alternative planust be ready. Since they appear to be doing this now Hillary’s demise must be imminent


23 posted on 08/23/2015 5:57:34 PM PDT by hoosiermama ( Read my lips: no more Bushes)
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To: laplata

You better believe they do!

The Democrat Party has one policy, one agenda, one plan of action and one reason for existence: To constantly, consistently accrue more and more POWER


24 posted on 08/23/2015 5:58:10 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Crazy Uncle Joe and Lieawatha - ugh!


25 posted on 08/23/2015 5:59:19 PM PDT by beethovenfan (Islam is a cancer on civilization.)
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To: hondact200

I don’t know. I saw a poll elsewhere,(don’t know who did the polling) that had Biden leading Trump in I believe 3 states, including my state of Ohio.

No matter who we nominate, we can’t get too comfortable or cocky. For some reason, whether it’s 47%, whether it’s illegals voting, whether it’s old fashioned fraud with or without illegals, or whether it’s low information types, or all of the above, the country seems to like to vote for them Democrat presidents these days. Obama should have fell like a tree cut down by Paul Bunyan 3 years ago, even with the less than thrilling Mittster. Didn’t happen.

Don’t get me wrong. We can win. But unfortunately, Jonathan Gruber does have a point about the stupidity of at least some of the American voters.


26 posted on 08/23/2015 5:59:35 PM PDT by American Faith Today
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To: beethovenfan

It does sound bizarre...but remember when a lot of folks thought that a guy named Baraq Hussein from Kenya had zilch chance of becoming POTUS?

And then wondered how he could possibly be re-elected with $4 gas, surging food prices, trillion dollar deficits, 8% unemployment (13% actual), Benghazi, and Obamacare?


27 posted on 08/23/2015 6:03:08 PM PDT by nascarnation (Impeach, convict, deport)
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To: BenLurkin

I know they do but they are also patient and know when to take one step back before they take two steps forward.

They know they and Obama and the RINO’s have orchestrated a disaster so they will let a well intentioned Republican take the fall after 2016 and then step back in in 2020. If we have a country left by then.


28 posted on 08/23/2015 6:10:42 PM PDT by laplata ( Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: SeekAndFind

If Joe and Fauxcohontas get elected, it will be by fraud in key states, like in 2012.

The plan will be to have Joe serve until a brain problem comes up, Joe retires, and Lieawatha becomes the Prez, probably in mid to late 2017.

She will probably pick Mochelle as VP and the GOP Senate.will be more than happy to approve.

The old bait and switch.


29 posted on 08/23/2015 6:10:52 PM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: SeekAndFind

Sounds like something to warm the hearts of DE people!


30 posted on 08/23/2015 6:14:20 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Liberals keep winning; so the American people must now be all-liberal all the time.)
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To: beethovenfan

RE: Crazy Uncle Joe and Lieawatha - ugh!

Lieawatha is Bernie Sanders with two major differences -— SHE’s a WOMAN, which she can use to her advantage using the “war on women” or “it’s time to have a woman in the White House” meme ( if people still buy it ), and she will play the “minority” card ( i.e., I am a native American <-— if people still buy it. The folks in Massachusetts did ).


31 posted on 08/23/2015 6:15:02 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (qu)
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To: SeekAndFind
IF we can take down the GOPe 'shrublings' early in the primaries, AND IF the Hilda-Beast is still running, would 'Operation Chaos II' be in order?

This may look like a job for; El Rushbo!

32 posted on 08/23/2015 6:18:58 PM PDT by nomad
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To: USNBandit

Fake Indian Senator speak with fork tongue and slithers on ground.


33 posted on 08/23/2015 6:22:24 PM PDT by wetgundog ("Extremism in the Defense of Liberty is No Vice" -AuH2O)
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To: SeekAndFind
I remember after Bill Clinton's first inauguration, Rush Limbaugh described the look on the faces of Joe Biden and Ted Kennedy, as well as other Democrat mopes in the crowd, as the look of men who know they will never become president.

Biden still has that look.

Kennedy is pushing up daisies.

34 posted on 08/23/2015 6:25:53 PM PDT by Semper Mark (Vlad Tepes is a piker.)
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To: exit82
The plan will be to have Joe serve until a brain problem comes up, Joe retires, and Lieawatha becomes the Prez, probably in mid to late 2017.

Unfortunately, Drunken Joe Biden's "brain problem" first became apparent around 1987, around the same time his "stupidity" problem became completely apparent. Neither has stopped him yet.
35 posted on 08/23/2015 6:30:22 PM PDT by Milton Miteybad (I am Jim Thompson. {Really.})
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To: nascarnation

Because the gope forced a pos on us twice knowing full well they would lose to the muzzi.


36 posted on 08/23/2015 6:32:43 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Samuel Berger, a former Clinton-administration national-security adviser, pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor, because, after leaving office — for reasons that remain unclear — he removed classified documents from the National Archives and destroyed them.

The reasons are unclear only to those who have their head up their asses - which includes the writer of this article.

37 posted on 08/23/2015 6:35:02 PM PDT by capydick ("If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on Earth.")
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To: SeekAndFind

All they’ve got are the over-the-hills. The Republican sweep cleaned out the middle age up-and-comings and the party is in tatters.


38 posted on 08/23/2015 6:49:12 PM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: SeekAndFind

All they’ve got are the over-the-hills. The Republican sweep cleaned out the middle age up-and-comings and the party is in tatters.


39 posted on 08/23/2015 6:52:59 PM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: Ranger Warrior

“Slow Joe and the arapa-ho”.

CC


40 posted on 08/23/2015 6:55:07 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (Sufficient unto the day are the troubles therof)
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