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How Far Can I Go? And How Much Can I Do?
China Digital Times ^ | 8/15/15 | He Xiaoxin

Posted on 08/15/2015 7:35:31 PM PDT by Kartographer

Journalist He Xiaoxin of The Beijing News (新京报) traveled to report from the scene of the massive explosion in a chemical warehouse at the Tianjin port, in which 104 people have been reported killed so far. Dramatic photos and videos of the explosion traveled quickly around the world via the Internet. But in this photo essay, He provides an up-close, personal look at the devastation. Propaganda officials have since banned media from reporting on the explosion or posting stories that did not originate from Xinhua:

(Excerpt) Read more at chinadigitaltimes.net ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; chinaexplosion; explosion; tanggu; tianjin
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To: Kartographer; null and void

From the article:

“.... The Wanke Harbor City development was just a few hundred meters from the blast site. Now it was a pile of rubble. Not a single window was intact. Household items were scattered everywhere.

I don’t know what kind of quake happened there last night. Stuff had been thrown towards the site of the explosion. But shouldn’t the shock wave have sent stuff in the opposite direction?

I still don’t get it. ....”

Now what kind of explosion causes that sort of effect?


81 posted on 08/16/2015 5:45:35 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: Kartographer

Adjacent story on censorship of the explosion news: http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2015/08/minitrue-explosions-in-tanggu-open-economic-zone-tianjin/


82 posted on 08/16/2015 6:27:29 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The world map will be quite different come 20 January 2017.)
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To: Kartographer

“They need to ‘donate’ some money to the Clinton Foundation and have them spin this. It might require a few accidents and sucides, but what is a few more bodies?”

The story notes that China’s top investigative reporter killed himself.
Riiiiiiight...


83 posted on 08/16/2015 6:31:18 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The world map will be quite different come 20 January 2017.)
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To: steve86
Somewhat of a tangent, but your photo reminded me of this.
84 posted on 08/16/2015 6:31:46 AM PDT by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it?)
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To: wardaddy

Who says this won’t surpass that? Looks pretty bad.


85 posted on 08/16/2015 7:28:39 AM PDT by virgil (The evil that men do lives after them)
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To: Cvengr

Maybe the population density around there isn’t so high.


86 posted on 08/16/2015 7:39:58 AM PDT by virgil (The evil that men do lives after them)
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To: WildHighlander57

A big one.

The blast shatters and makes airborne vast quantities of debris.

As soon as the fireball starts to cool and rise into the air that creates a ground level flow towards the center, that sucks the suspended debris towards the center.


87 posted on 08/16/2015 7:46:05 AM PDT by null and void (Support Islamic Repatriation)
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To: roadcat

“Or that it formed a crater on the seabed far larger than that of the ordnance”

The problem with that is that Port Chicago is way up the Sacramento River from SF Bay. Riverbed, not seabed.

“Or that the cruiser Indianapolis shipped out of Port Chicago”

Really? They got the Indianapolis way up the river to Port Chicago, turned it around, and got it downstream again? Now that’s some seamanship.


88 posted on 08/16/2015 7:46:21 AM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: PA Engineer
What bothered me was some of the rims looked they were burned. Aluminum burns at 6920°F.

Perhaps they were Aluminum-Magnesium alloy?

89 posted on 08/16/2015 7:50:34 AM PDT by null and void (Support Islamic Repatriation)
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To: virgil

When apartment windows are shattered with curtains blowing, a mile from the site, even with nobody in between, there would have been a much larger number of casualites (injured), than deaths.


90 posted on 08/16/2015 7:57:31 AM PDT by Cvengr ( Adversity in life & death is inevitable; Stress is optional through faith in Christ.)
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To: WildHighlander57

Or think of it like a tsunami, the incoming wave busts stuff up, the retreating water sweeps the debris into the sea.


91 posted on 08/16/2015 8:12:35 AM PDT by null and void (Support Islamic Repatriation)
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To: Kartographer

Its Bush’s Fault.


92 posted on 08/16/2015 9:02:14 AM PDT by garjog (Obama: bringing joy to the hearts of Terrorists everywhere.)
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To: null and void
Perhaps they were Aluminum-Magnesium alloy?

Possibly. I hadn't thought of that.
93 posted on 08/16/2015 9:22:36 AM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media. #2ndAmendmentMatters)
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To: roadcat
Records show that the destination was Tinian,

The United States did not even control Tinian until after the Battle of Tinian which began after the Port Chicago explosion. Even after the battle, it took months of work to create US military bases on the island.

You surely can't believe Wikipedia versus recently declassified documents stating facts. Regardless of how much U-235 was produced, they actually had enough by July 1944 to make 6 minimum yield nuclear bombs, as 15.5kg was the minimum required for one bomb.

1. I can believe Wikipedia any day over Rense.com or some old articles from the Napa Sentinel. Your article makes claims but has no links to the supposed "recently declassified documents" that prove the accuracy of the stated figures.

2. You claim that there was enough material in July 1944 for six bombs and that one blew up at Port Chicago. Why didn't we just use the other five? We could have dropped one on Berlin and ended the European War many months earlier. That's another thing wrong with this story: the supposed bomb was going the wrong way.

Whether or not it is believed to be a nuclear blast at Port Chicago in 1944, you have to wonder about the blast yield being far in excess of the ordnance stored in the ships and dock.

1. There were thousands of tons of ordinance being loaded onto the ships at Port Chicago. The Hiroshima bomb had a yield of 15 kt. These numbers are in the same ballpark.

2. The survivors said nothing about the loading of anything other than normal bombs. Since they were being court-marshaled and sentenced to long prison terms, as well as being blamed for the blast, they would have had reason to bring this up.

3. You should read the Wikipedia page on the Port Chicago disaster as it has a section on the "nuclear bomb theory". It says: "After failing to find hard evidence to support his theory, Vogel abandoned it in 2005."

4. Finally, this story passes the classic test for conspiracy theories: For it to be true tens of thousands of people would have had to be lying and have successfully maintained those lies for their entire lives.

94 posted on 08/16/2015 9:36:56 AM PDT by wideminded
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To: dsc
The problem with that is that Port Chicago is way up the Sacramento River from SF Bay. Riverbed, not seabed.

When I mentioned seabed, I was using common speech about the floor under the waterway.

“Or that the cruiser Indianapolis shipped out of Port Chicago”
Really? They got the Indianapolis way up the river to Port Chicago, turned it around, and got it downstream again? Now that’s some seamanship.

Yes they did. Port Chicago is now named Concord Naval Weapons Station. It was built during WWII as a larger alternative than Mare Island nearby in SF Bay. There is a huge mothball fleet of very large naval ships nearby in Suisun Bay just beyond the former Port Chicago. How do you suppose they go there? Same way as the Indianapolis, they navigated there from SF Bay.

95 posted on 08/16/2015 9:56:20 AM PDT by roadcat
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To: Kartographer

China is having a difficult time with the transparency that the digital age is bringing. They are caught on the horns of a dilemma: How do they modernize with controling the information flow?

The same situation, on a lesser scale applies to the U.S. and the Washington Cartel. How do they stay in power as control over the information flow slips from their grasp?


96 posted on 08/16/2015 10:00:25 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Smokin' Joe
Where did the Indianapolis pick up the bombs it delivered?

I'll have to go back and reread articles. Supposedly, the bomb components were stored in two boxcars at Oakland. They then went by rail to Port Chicago, where they were loaded onto the Indianapolis.

97 posted on 08/16/2015 10:05:17 AM PDT by roadcat
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To: null and void
Just did some more digging. Combustion of magnesium is 1,202F and they still seem to be making aluminum and magnesium rims with the knowledge of the combustion hazard. I assume the weight gain outweighs the risk.

I remember years ago our construction guys would burn magnesium anodes for campfires. I'm surprised they did not go blind.
98 posted on 08/16/2015 10:13:31 AM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media. #2ndAmendmentMatters)
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To: antidisestablishment

VW had announced the building of two new factories in July 2014 at a cost of US $2.5 billion. This was one of them. One of their early runs I’d guess.


99 posted on 08/16/2015 10:19:10 AM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled-...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: wideminded
Records show that the destination was Tinian,
The United States did not even control Tinian until after the Battle of Tinian which began after the Port Chicago explosion. Even after the battle, it took months of work to create US military bases on the island.

Look, I'm not saying I believe that a nuke went off at Port Chicago in 1944. I'm putting this out there because of many inconsistencies with the current history of what happened. Article does mention that at the time the U.S. did not have the capability of delivering the bomb by air because Tinian was not yet available, and that the bomb was most likely intended to be detonated while aboard a naval vessel. The destination recorded was Tinian; perhaps it was to meet up with other naval ships for use after a battle for Tinian.

1. I can believe Wikipedia any day over Rense.com or some old articles from the Napa Sentinel. Your article makes claims but has no links to the supposed "recently declassified documents" that prove the accuracy of the stated figures.

Wikipedia is known for inaccuracies and not being trustworthy.

2. You claim that there was enough material in July 1944 for six bombs and that one blew up at Port Chicago. Why didn't we just use the other five? We could have dropped one on Berlin and ended the European War many months earlier. That's another thing wrong with this story: the supposed bomb was going the wrong way.

Just because there was enough material, doesn't mean bombs were constructed. There was enough material for six minimum-yield bombs. They would not necessarily build such, particularly if the need was for larger-yield bombs. Also, you could not drop one on Berlin. Article states that a plane could not deliver such a heavy weapon by air at the time. They achieved that capability in 1945, and the plane was barely able to take off from Tinian with such a heavy load.

1. There were thousands of tons of ordinance being loaded onto the ships at Port Chicago. The Hiroshima bomb had a yield of 15 kt. These numbers are in the same ballpark.

No, read the article.

2. The survivors said nothing about the loading of anything other than normal bombs. Since they were being court-marshaled and sentenced to long prison terms, as well as being blamed for the blast, they would have had reason to bring this up.

Do you honestly think the black sailors loading the ships were privy to top-secret information? The article clearly states the how badly the black sailors were treated. And any survivors were presumably not among the ones doing the actual loading (the dead were obliterated). The court-marshal had to do with refusals to load long after the dock was repaired.

3. You should read the Wikipedia page on the Port Chicago disaster as it has a section on the "nuclear bomb theory". It says: "After failing to find hard evidence to support his theory, Vogel abandoned it in 2005."

Yes, true. And people are trying to find hard evidence of Hillary's wrongdoing so they should abandon such attempts.

4. Finally, this story passes the classic test for conspiracy theories: For it to be true tens of thousands of people would have had to be lying and have successfully maintained those lies for their entire lives.

It only takes a few in the know to lie and create a coverup, you should know that. I didn't create this theory. I mention it as something worth considering.

100 posted on 08/16/2015 10:30:30 AM PDT by roadcat
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