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To: roadcat
Records show that the destination was Tinian,

The United States did not even control Tinian until after the Battle of Tinian which began after the Port Chicago explosion. Even after the battle, it took months of work to create US military bases on the island.

You surely can't believe Wikipedia versus recently declassified documents stating facts. Regardless of how much U-235 was produced, they actually had enough by July 1944 to make 6 minimum yield nuclear bombs, as 15.5kg was the minimum required for one bomb.

1. I can believe Wikipedia any day over Rense.com or some old articles from the Napa Sentinel. Your article makes claims but has no links to the supposed "recently declassified documents" that prove the accuracy of the stated figures.

2. You claim that there was enough material in July 1944 for six bombs and that one blew up at Port Chicago. Why didn't we just use the other five? We could have dropped one on Berlin and ended the European War many months earlier. That's another thing wrong with this story: the supposed bomb was going the wrong way.

Whether or not it is believed to be a nuclear blast at Port Chicago in 1944, you have to wonder about the blast yield being far in excess of the ordnance stored in the ships and dock.

1. There were thousands of tons of ordinance being loaded onto the ships at Port Chicago. The Hiroshima bomb had a yield of 15 kt. These numbers are in the same ballpark.

2. The survivors said nothing about the loading of anything other than normal bombs. Since they were being court-marshaled and sentenced to long prison terms, as well as being blamed for the blast, they would have had reason to bring this up.

3. You should read the Wikipedia page on the Port Chicago disaster as it has a section on the "nuclear bomb theory". It says: "After failing to find hard evidence to support his theory, Vogel abandoned it in 2005."

4. Finally, this story passes the classic test for conspiracy theories: For it to be true tens of thousands of people would have had to be lying and have successfully maintained those lies for their entire lives.

94 posted on 08/16/2015 9:36:56 AM PDT by wideminded
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To: wideminded
Records show that the destination was Tinian,
The United States did not even control Tinian until after the Battle of Tinian which began after the Port Chicago explosion. Even after the battle, it took months of work to create US military bases on the island.

Look, I'm not saying I believe that a nuke went off at Port Chicago in 1944. I'm putting this out there because of many inconsistencies with the current history of what happened. Article does mention that at the time the U.S. did not have the capability of delivering the bomb by air because Tinian was not yet available, and that the bomb was most likely intended to be detonated while aboard a naval vessel. The destination recorded was Tinian; perhaps it was to meet up with other naval ships for use after a battle for Tinian.

1. I can believe Wikipedia any day over Rense.com or some old articles from the Napa Sentinel. Your article makes claims but has no links to the supposed "recently declassified documents" that prove the accuracy of the stated figures.

Wikipedia is known for inaccuracies and not being trustworthy.

2. You claim that there was enough material in July 1944 for six bombs and that one blew up at Port Chicago. Why didn't we just use the other five? We could have dropped one on Berlin and ended the European War many months earlier. That's another thing wrong with this story: the supposed bomb was going the wrong way.

Just because there was enough material, doesn't mean bombs were constructed. There was enough material for six minimum-yield bombs. They would not necessarily build such, particularly if the need was for larger-yield bombs. Also, you could not drop one on Berlin. Article states that a plane could not deliver such a heavy weapon by air at the time. They achieved that capability in 1945, and the plane was barely able to take off from Tinian with such a heavy load.

1. There were thousands of tons of ordinance being loaded onto the ships at Port Chicago. The Hiroshima bomb had a yield of 15 kt. These numbers are in the same ballpark.

No, read the article.

2. The survivors said nothing about the loading of anything other than normal bombs. Since they were being court-marshaled and sentenced to long prison terms, as well as being blamed for the blast, they would have had reason to bring this up.

Do you honestly think the black sailors loading the ships were privy to top-secret information? The article clearly states the how badly the black sailors were treated. And any survivors were presumably not among the ones doing the actual loading (the dead were obliterated). The court-marshal had to do with refusals to load long after the dock was repaired.

3. You should read the Wikipedia page on the Port Chicago disaster as it has a section on the "nuclear bomb theory". It says: "After failing to find hard evidence to support his theory, Vogel abandoned it in 2005."

Yes, true. And people are trying to find hard evidence of Hillary's wrongdoing so they should abandon such attempts.

4. Finally, this story passes the classic test for conspiracy theories: For it to be true tens of thousands of people would have had to be lying and have successfully maintained those lies for their entire lives.

It only takes a few in the know to lie and create a coverup, you should know that. I didn't create this theory. I mention it as something worth considering.

100 posted on 08/16/2015 10:30:30 AM PDT by roadcat
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