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Doctors Rightly Reject “Anti-Vaxxers’ ” Children
National Review ^ | 08/15/2015 | Wesley J. Smith Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/human-exceptionalism/390142/doctors-ri

Posted on 08/15/2015 8:55:25 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum

As a kid, I was terrified of polio. This was the era of hospital iron lung wards, in which hulking machines noisily kept scores of children breathing. Believe me, my friends and I were very aware of those! My parents signed me up to be in the first wave to receive the Salk vaccine series. Within years, polio was on a steep decline and the terror passed. Which is why it is so stunning to me that about 10% of parents refuse to vaccinate their children against potentially deadly diseases. As a consequences, some preventable diseases–made rare by vaccinations–are on the rebound. Now, some pediatricians are refusing unvaccinated children as patients.

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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Gosh, I don’t remember that. My best pal in the 60s had legs that were shriveled to pieces because her parents neglected to get her vaccinated. And it’s true, the stories of iron lungs (the actress Helen Hayes was much in the news because of this) were rampant in the mid to early 50s.


21 posted on 08/15/2015 10:16:04 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: I'd like to drive away not only the Turks (moslims) but all my foes.")
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To: 1rudeboy
Stay focused. Re-read my second sentence.

Do you think everyone who disagrees with you isn't paying attention, or just me?

22 posted on 08/15/2015 10:27:05 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker
Don't care to think that deeply about it. Your #19 was a non sequitur, though.
23 posted on 08/15/2015 10:31:02 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Why Pediatricians Refuse to See Unvaccinated Children
http://tamarawilhite.hubpages.com/hub/Why-Are-Pediatricians-Refusing-to-See-Non-Vaccinated-Patients


24 posted on 08/15/2015 10:45:45 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: grania

For the likely fatal diseases and often debilitating, vaccinating against Hepatitis C and polio and measles is reasonable.

For some diseases, like the RSV that kills a few thousand babies a year but hardly affects the rest, the vaccinations are excessive.

For too many diseases, they are pushing vaccinations while ignoring the risks to the immune system of developing severe allergies later. We don’t all need to be vaccinated against the flu every year.


25 posted on 08/15/2015 10:47:49 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: 1rudeboy
Don't care to think that deeply about it. Your #19 was a non sequitur, though.

LOL, typical pro-vaxxer perspective: whether vaccines actually work is irrelevant.

Sending out SWAT teams is a non-sequitur, too, but that doesn't keep the gas grenades from coming through the windows for non-compliance.

You do know that violent enforcement is the actual issue behind the vaccination debate, right?

26 posted on 08/15/2015 10:48:25 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker
You may end up to be the single greatest reason this column takes the derisive tone you feel. I will repeat, one last time:

But not to vaccinate your child against measles or whooping cough because you think the vaccination thing has gone too far?

Stop with the BS about SWAT teams, that's not the topic.
27 posted on 08/15/2015 10:54:32 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Talisker
violent enforcement is the actual issue behind the vaccination debate

Yes.

Most vaccinations are good. But that isn't the question: the question is do you have the right to refuse the ones you consider questionable without being attacked or having your kids taken away from you?

28 posted on 08/15/2015 10:56:20 AM PDT by marron
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To: 1rudeboy

“Stop with the BS about SWAT teams, that’s not the topic. “

You are arguing with a stupid person. They will never make sense. Liberals think emotionally and never by using facts.


29 posted on 08/15/2015 10:57:02 AM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: 1rudeboy
I will repeat, one last time: But not to vaccinate your child against measles or whooping cough because you think the vaccination thing has gone too far?

Stop with the BS about SWAT teams, that's not the topic.

If SWAT teams are BS, then why did you leave out your final word? What was it? "Sorry."

Sorry for what?

Sorry for sending in the SWAT team, that's what.

Kicking in doors and stealing children to "save" them from their "endangering" parents is the ONLY issue here.

But it's okay, like I said earlier, pro-vaxxers can't talk about that. Bad for business.

30 posted on 08/15/2015 11:15:45 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: miss marmelstein

“Gosh, I don’t remember that. My best pal in the 60s had legs that were shriveled to pieces because her parents neglected to get her vaccinated. And it’s true, the stories of iron lungs (the actress Helen Hayes was much in the news because of this) were rampant in the mid to early 50s.”

Instead of relying on anecdotes, perhaps take 5 minutes and google it.


31 posted on 08/15/2015 11:21:30 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "Forward lies the crown, and onward is the goal.")
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To: Talisker
I didn't include the third sentence because it is superfluous to our discussion. My second sentence indicates the same thing--I think it's ridiculous not to innoculate your child against measles or whooping cough because you think the vaccination-thing has "gone too far." Or for that matter (ahem), because you fear SWAT is coming for you.
32 posted on 08/15/2015 11:21:44 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Obviously, SWAT would come for NOT vaccinating. Once you poison your child, the State is pleased and will leave you alone. Otherwise you are deemed as “endangering” your children for not enrolling them the poisoning roulette game.

Your disconnect with the realities of enforcement in this matter is disturbing. The thread article itself supports denying medical care to unvaccinated children. I don’t see what there is to mock about looking at what is coming next.


33 posted on 08/15/2015 11:35:23 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

I don’t trust Wikipedia. And that was hardly an anecdote. I lived through the Polio epidemic as did my brother.


34 posted on 08/15/2015 11:59:15 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: I'd like to drive away not only the Turks (moslims) but all my foes.")
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To: Talisker
I can see why you and I are butting heads. I actually subscribe to the legal philosophy of law and economics (and yes it is a term of art that means a very specific thing). You appear to understand neither.

In other words (and I can only surmise the following because you are dancing around my question like a banshee), you are not in favor of vaccinating a child for measles or whooping cough because things, generically, have "gone too far," and because you fear that SWAT is coming for you. Which indicates a fundamental misunderstanding of how the world operates, and the law. As for economics, you appear to have no fundamental understanding as to why a pediatrician would not want unvaccinated patients mixing with other patients.

35 posted on 08/15/2015 12:01:25 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: miss marmelstein

http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=768249#

Do you trust JAMA?


36 posted on 08/15/2015 12:01:25 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: 1rudeboy

Well you’re good at personal insults, at least. And as for pediatricians not wanting to mix vaccinated and unvaccinated children, there’s only one reason for that, and it’s not economic. It’s because the vaccines are not reliable. The doctors know they can’t trust that the vaccine will protect the vaccinated children. Also, the vaccinated children have compromised immune systems because of the vaccine, so they’re more vulnerable than the unvaccinated children. It’s so obvious, it’s incredible you’re denying it. And then you talk about the legal philosophy of law? LOL!


37 posted on 08/15/2015 12:09:26 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker

So, from an economics standpoint, pediatricians don’t want unvaccinated children in their waiting rooms because vaccines don’t work? I can just imagine Richard Posner staring at you in disbelief. He’d probably ask you next if your license to practice law is current.


38 posted on 08/15/2015 12:49:26 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Actually, I refuted your contention that that connection derives from an economics standpoint.

And what anyone thinks of my law degree is hardly relevant, since I don’t have one. Nor do I see why you brought the issue up. It’s a - real- non sequitur.


39 posted on 08/15/2015 1:21:42 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker
Nor do I see why you brought the issue up.

That much is clear, and a whole lot more.

40 posted on 08/15/2015 1:28:48 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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