Wisconsin has the power to reduce gun violence (barf alert)

Milwaukee J-S ^ | 15 aug 2015 | Nina Vinik

[rellimpank]

How will we remember the summer of 2015? The past few months already have been marred by mass shootings in Charleston, Chattanooga and Lafayette. Homicides are on the rise in many cities, including Milwaukee. Every major city has experienced firearm deaths, holes in the hearts of its families and communities.

Milwaukee's situation is stark. Homicides have more than doubled in the first half of 2015 compared with last year. According to the Milwaukee Homicide Review Commission, 31 of Milwaukee's 300 fatal and nonfatal shooting victims were 17 or younger, such as 13-year-old Giovonnie Cameron, who was shot and killed in July. Police arrested another 13-year-old boy in connection with the shooting.

In certain ways, each tragic loss of life stands alone; the shooter, motive and situation are unique. But they are alike in one key aspect: The shooter obtained a gun too easily.

It is easy to become discouraged by the daily toll of gun violence and think that there is nothing we can do, that the nation is too polarized to make progress. But, in fact, we know exactly what to do to keep guns out of the hands of people who pose a risk to themselves and others, and there is remarkable agreement about it: polls show that Americans (including gun owners) overwhelmingly agree that background checks are the best way to ensure that high-risk people are not armed.

[rellimpank]

--the usual--

[rellimpank]

—ping—

[cripplecreek]

I hate to tell them but every major city had murders even before their were guns.

[Erik Latranyi]

...13-year-old Giovonnie Cameron, who was shot and killed in July. Police arrested another 13-year-old boy in connection with the shooting....

...background checks are the best way to ensure that high-risk people are not armed.

Liberal insanity on display for all to see.

[Erik Latranyi]

Recent failures of the NICS system have not prompted calls for reform, improvement or even a study....instead, we get calls for more restrictions that gov’t will fail to enforce.

Then, when those restrictions fail, we will hear calls for stronger restrictions.....which will fail because gov’t fails to do its job.

Just like the Patriot Act came about after a total failure of gov’t to use its existing intelligence agencies to protect the people. Those agencies were hamstrung by liberals who were more concerned about the rights of terrorists than the rights of US citizens.

[Sooth2222]

"Submit records of all prohibited people to the federal FBI database for gun purchaser background checks."

Brilliant! The bureaucrats don't do their jobs -- so the solution is to pass another law to tell the bureaucrats to do their jobs!

The elephant in the room is that more than half of all homicides in the US are committed by Black males between the ages of 15 and 45, and that's a group that makes up less than 3% of the US population.

It might be politically incorrect to ask why that might be the case, but if the question is never asked, the solution to the problem will never be found.

[jsanders2001]

I can reduce gun violence immediately -— by removing the fraudulent Soros backed bean counters...

[Tai_Chung]

Liberal states have the highest murder rate by guns. The background check should not be on the gun buyer, but on the liberal policies that have repeatedly harmed the American people.

[nathanbedford]

Wisconsin has the power to reduce gun violence

I will believe that when Wisconsin demonstrates that it has the power to reduce consumption of illegal drugs.

I live in Bavaria where there is virtually no threat of gun violence to me or my family, so far. But every one of my neighbors is increasingly concerned about the influx of foreigners, especially Russians and Muslims whom they regard to be violent and often possessed of weapons.

In the meantime rural Bavaria remains relatively free of gun violence. This leads Germans to believe that the solution for America is to adopt the German solution: essentially eliminate guns. They regard the constitutional right to keep and bear arms to be a technicality which can be readily dispensed with.

The Germans might be right, if we could eliminate all 200 million guns in America 320 million Americans might be safer but the practical problem is getting there (assuming that's a desirable goal and assuming it's constitutional-different arguments). The Milwaukee Wisconsin Journal Sentinel wants to get there by intermediate steps. This time it advances what it describes is reasonable registration and background investigations.

The problem with every proposed restriction on the right to keep and bear arms is that the limitations will be observed only by the innocent and exploited by the violent. The analogy is gun free zones. Every time my right to bear arms in America is circumscribed by well-meaning liberals they make me more vulnerable in a society with 200 million weapons. They make me more vulnerable in a society in which the government is setting one race against the other, one race against authority represented by the police. They make me more vulnerable every time they make it more difficult for the police to take effective action against criminals. They make me more vulnerable in a society riven for decades by race riots.

The so-called reasonable registration and background investigation requirements will never be applied without a hidden left-wing agenda. It is much like the hidden left-wing agenda behind the their refusal to build a wall on the border. Leftism should be spontaneously associated in every voter's mind with cronyism and our reaction should be instinctive, when leftist conduct investigations only leftists will get guns.

[trebb]

Make a line of guns made of cheese so some folks will buy the edible ones instead of the real ones.

Make bullet-proof vests out of big wheels of cheese.

Plug the barrels of guns with cheese - could cause problems for those who try to suck the cheese out and need a handy way to "dislodge" it...

Maybe someone can write a book titled "1001 Ways to Reduce Gun Violence With Cheese"....

At any rate - cheese is the answer.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

1960s leftist polices are the direct root cause of violence in the cities. All of these crimes are committed by fatherless black teens and young adults, who are essentially feral cats, while their Mothers are more concerned with when their next government check is going to arrive, and who they’re going to shack up with next. All created, promoted, and continuously exploited by a political party establishment who’s very survival is created by this situation, and by so-called black leaders who are nothing more than the Democrat Party goon squad.

[WKUHilltopper]

Gun violence. What a crock term. If someone saves one’s life with a firearm, will they call this gun peace?

I’ve never seen a gun that gets violent. I guess maybe in Wisconsin they jump out of holsters and chase people around their blocks. Or maybe rob liquor stores on its own accord.

And what about brick violence? Bat violence? Car violence?

What a minute! These things are all perpetrated by people—not inanimate objects. Fancy that.

[RedHeeler]

Okay, nate- you have gone nuts. Come back to the Bill of Rights, nor subscribe others to socialist fascist filth. Gun grabbing? Why would you advocate such lunacy?

[nathanbedford]

Please read the reply, perhaps it was inarticulately worded, but it's intent was precisely the opposite.

The phrase in parentheses: "assuming that's a desirable goal and assuming its constitutional" was meant to say that there are other reasons besides protecting oneself from gun violence to keep the right to bear arms such as a check on government tyranny. To eliminate that check on government tyranny might not be, and I don't think is, a desirable goal.

But the article is cast in terms of reducing gun violence so I wanted to refute it on its own terms.which also includes guns smuggled in from foreign sources, alluded to in the reply, as well as arbitrary inspections and cronyism.

[G Larry]

Relax the CCW constraints, provide training courses, and crime will go down.

[rmichaelj]

In his defense, he said they “the germans” might be right if, not that they are right. I think it was the use of a literary phrase to show one reason their policy will never work.

Another difference between the United States and these other countries is the close proximity of very different culures. We are not really a melting pot, a more apt metaphor is a bowl of gumbo. And some cultures are “spicier” than others. In such a society crimes are going to happen. With or without guns. To see the opposite situation, look at switzerland. The Swiss have access to a large number of not just guns but assault rifles (and these really are assault rifles), but in a monolithic, well disciplined society like the Swiss have, their is almost no gun crime. It will be interesting (as in watching a train wreck interesting) to see what happens as Europe becomes more diverse.

[RedHeeler]

Well, I am an inarticulate reader at times. The way I read it, was so far out of your character, that I read it over a few times- and could only respond in that manner, after some hesitant thought. So, all is right with the world, after all. Good deal, Nate. Thanks.

[RedHeeler]

Good insight. I misread, thank you for the guidance.

[joemsewi]

Every point that the author makes is full of holes and invalid. What she didn’t say is that black thugs steal guns or get them on the black market and use them to kill people, including innocent people.

This is a typical opinion piece in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. Their stance is that the problem is gun violence so the lawmakers should pass more laws that will be ignored by the thugs anyway.

The mayor and the police chief have decided that they will no longer pursue thugs in high speed chases. That means that the thugs, usually in stolen cars and probably carrying stolen firearms, know that if they go fast enough the police will not pursue them. The problem has become so bad that the drug dealers have rolling distribution vehicles that they work out of. If the police approach they just speed off knowing that the police will let them speed off.

The Milwaukee Journal is talking, as usual, through its behind. Its only mission in life is to scold white people and white lawmakers for problems that can only be solved by the minority communities themselves. The collective brain trust at the Journal wouldn’t fill a thimble.

[Little Ray]

I don’t think you are paying attention.

What are your German neighbors afraid of? Armed outsiders - in other words, “diversity.” Within their relatively homogeneous German society, they have little to fear.

In the US, those outsiders are already here and in huge numbers. If, somehow, all firearms were confiscated, all that would accomplish is to leave the law abiding at the mercy of outsiders who will be perfectly happy to work violence on people using knives, clubs, machetes, the contents of tool boxes, tightly rolled up gloss magazines, etc. To the violent, EVERYTHING is a weapon.

I won’t give one inch to folks who want to disarm me.