Ann Counter: Ted Cruz Not Natural Born Citizen [Team Trump!]

Twitter | August 6, 2015 | Ann Coulter

[ROCKLOBSTER]

The US Constitution doesn’t say ANYTHING about having to have (2) US Citizen Parents.

Actually it says you need three.

[DiogenesLamp]

who acquire citizenship through the naturalization process.

When Congress passes a law declaring a child to be a citizen at birth, that is naturalization too.

Congress cannot bestow citizenship through any other means than naturalization. They can't make "natural" citizens, they can "naturalize" them, but they can't make them.

"Natural" citizens are created by nature.

[DiogenesLamp]

or go through the Naturalization process.

When a family immigrates to the United States, the adult mother and father go through a "naturalization process." The children do not go through a "naturalization process." They do not have to take any tests, they do not have to swear any oaths, they do not have to stand in front of a judge.

Their "naturalization process" consists of precisely nothing.

So too do babies naturalized at birth by a law passed by congress. They don't go through a "process" but they are still naturalized by Congress' power of naturalization.

[DiogenesLamp]

because his dad was not a natural born citizen means that Cruz’s children are not natural born citizens, and the same goes for his future grandchildren.

That is nonsense. If the father is American, the Children are natural born citizens.

[coldflamingo]

Right after this ,( this is a paraphrase), The President must be a................. hope this helps.

[DiogenesLamp]

Cruz has never been naturalized

Naturalized "at birth" by the Immigration and Nationality act of 1952.

His sort of case is listed under this heading in the act.

Title III-Nationality and Naturalization
Chapter 1-Nationality at Birth and By Collective Naturalization

"Collective Naturalization" refers to all those people who fit in the category designated in the act of having at least one American Parent.

It's under Title III of that act, but for some reason, every copy I find omits Title III. I found it years ago, because I quoted from it, but I am not finding it now. It simply jumps from Title II to Title IV.

Weird.

Oh, and look what I found here:

(3) an alien born in the United States shall be considered as having been born in the country of which he is a citizen or subject, or if he is not a citizen or subject of any country then in the last foreign country in which he had his residence as determined by the consular officer;

Seems as though that would apply to Obama and "Anchor Babies."

[DiogenesLamp]

I’m not going to get into this argument other then to say the Rats will use this against Cruz everyday, all day, if Cruz is the nominee. Ann is doing Cruz a favor by bringing it up early. This is an issue that needs to be resolved early. I think the House looked at this an declared Cruz a NBC, if so Cruz needs to get that info out there because everyone I talk here in my little town thinks Cruz is a not NBC.

I've been saying the same thing for the last couple of years.

I have little doubt that the Media and the Democrats, but I repeat myself, will remain silent until Cruz secures the nomination, and then they will SCREAM BLOODY MURDER about it.

Cruz might win in court, but the damage done to him in the Media will still cost him the election.

[DiogenesLamp]

This issue needs to be settled once and for all since there’s so much disagreement about whether both parents have to be citizens in order for their child to be a natural born citizen. Is one citizen parent enough? If a parent was not born here, but became a naturalized citizen before the child was born, is the child still a NBC? Nobody agrees.

Nobody agrees because a lot of people don't know what they are talking about.

Originally, the Woman became the same citizenship as the Husband when she married. This means that only the father determined citizenship, and indeed, the Latin word for "country" is "Patria" meaning Land of my Father. "Patriotism" is also derived from the root of "Father."

When a woman marries, she not only takes the name of her husband, but his allegiances as well.

Women did not legally acquire the right to pass on citizenship to their children until the Cable act of 1922, and their rights were strengthened with the Women's Citizenship act of 1934.

In 1787, it was entirely on the father. Only the Father's citizenship mattered.

[DiogenesLamp]

Of course, I have no doubt that it's only a matter of time before an illegal alien runs for President, and is allowed.

And with that, let me introduce you to Roger Calero.

[Godebert]

"Could you imagine a Democrat with Anne's stature calling out Obama in 2008 by saying he wasn't a natural born citizen? Didn't think so. This is why we loose elections. "

Anne was too cowardly to call out Obama but she'll call out Cruz for not being eligible. Welcome to the party, Ann, you POS traitor.

[Godebert]

Mark Levin Explains Ted Cruz IS a Natural Born Citizen

At 00:18 Levin states that Ted Cruz is a naturalized U.S. Citizen.

Natural born Citizens don't need to be naturalized. Levin is totally clueless about Natural Law.

Mark Levin Attacks Birthers: Admits He Hasn't Studied Issue; Declares Canadian-Born Cruz Eligible

Note the reference to Natural Law in the first sentence of our Declaration of Independence.

It is crystal clear that the Founding Fathers used the Natural Law definition of 'natural born Citizen' when they wrote Article II. By invoking "The Laws of Nature and Nature's God" the 56 signers of the Declaration incorporated a legal standard of freedom into the forms of government that would follow.

President John Quincy Adams, writing in 1839, looked back at the founding period and recognized the true meaning of the Declaration's reliance on the "Laws of Nature and of Nature's God." He observed that the American people's "charter was the Declaration of Independence. Their rights, the natural rights of mankind. Their government, such as should be instituted by the people, under the solemn mutual pledges of perpetual union, founded on the self-evident truth's proclaimed in the Declaration."

The Constitution, Vattel, and “Natural Born Citizen”: What Our Framers Knew

The Supreme Court of the United States has never applied the term “natural born citizen” to any other category than “those born in the country of parents who are citizens thereof”.

Citizenship Terms Used in the U.S. Constitution - The 5 Terms Defined & Some Legal Reference to Same

"The citizenship of no man could be previous to the declaration of independence, and, as a natural right, belongs to none but those who have been born of citizens since the 4th of July, 1776."....David Ramsay, 1789.

A Dissertation on Manner of Acquiring Character & Privileges of Citizen of U.S.-by David Ramsay-1789

The Law of Nations or the Principles of Natural Law (1758)

The Laws of Nature and of Nature's God: The True Foundation of American Law

Publications of the Colonial Society of Massachusetts, Volume 20 - Use of The Law of Nations by the Constitutional Convention

The Biggest Cover-up in American History

[parksstp]

Good stuff to take to the next birther meeting in your mother’s basement.

Now where does it say in the US CONSTITUTION that both parents have to be citizens for their child to be a Natural Born Citizen?

The links you provided are worthless since they are not US LAW, but guidelines that are speculated on that the Founding Fathers used. What isn’t explicitly spelled out in the Constitution can be either (1) interpreted to various opinions or (2) clarified by law.

The Constitution doesn’t define “Natural Born Citizen”, but Congress has used it’s statutory authority to clarify which it did by defining a Citizen at Birth vrs a Naturalized Citizen (it’s clear Levin misspoke at :18 because if you listen to the actual length, he’s saying Cruz is a Natural Born Citizen). Based on the law in effect at the time of Cruz’s birth, he was a Citizen at Birth of the United States through his mother, who had met the requirements for her children to qualify as NBC. The place of his birth is a non-factor. Ted Cruz never had to be “naturalized”, he was a Citizen at Birth.

Like Levin though, I’m bored. Go bother someone else with your birther crap.

[Godebert]

The Constitution isn't a dictionary. There was only ONE definition of natural born Citizen at the time the founders drafted the Constitution. That definition is found in the Law of Nations.

[Godebert]

Citizenship Terms Used in the U.S. Constitution - The 5 Terms Defined & Some Legal Reference to Same

[Slambat]

“Those that buy can most suredly be brought.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPKkrTFjLDU

Go to 4:00. Listen.

I agree they can be bought. It’s just much more expensive.
The question is whats Trumps price. It’s already cost him a lot
in business, he’d have to make up for that. What do you think Hillary has promised him to help her win? Tax exempt for life?
You cant buy him with cheap whores, booze and little boys
like you can with boehner and mcconnell.
I’m sure there is a price though.

Is this the kind of hypocrisy you were
talking about?

If so then your probably right.

[Godebert]

Founder and Historian David Ramsay Defined Natural Born Citizenship in 1789

[Slambat]

“Anyone born after to an American Father was a “natural born citizen.”

That’s what I would most agree with in that it is the original
intent and it’s the fathers sir name that is passed on.
The Question that I am asking is
what definition are we going by today where anchor babies
are legal, and Obama is qualified to be president. Where is
this definition written? If not then it has become the
most exploited gray area of the law and
quite possibly the constitutions undoing.

[NetAddicted]

Really? How he ever got to even run for president....

[DiogenesLamp]

The Question that I am asking is what definition are we going by today where anchor babies are legal, and Obama is qualified to be president. Where is this definition written?

Where we are today is most legal people believing that any sort of statutory citizenship at birth is good enough. If you want to track the history of their wrong understanding of the issue, it all goes through the Wong Kim Ark court case in which they conclude that Wong Kim Ark is a citizen merely from having been born in the United States.

They not only equate "citizen" with "natural born citizen", but they also equate being born to legal residents as the equivalent of being born to illegal aliens.

Since this is a thread discussing Ann Coulter's opinion, I will give you a link to something she had previously written on the subject.

"Justice Brennan’s Footnote Gave Us Anchor Babies"

While we're at it, I'll throw in a George Will Opinion on the Subject too.

"An argument to be made about immigrant babies and citizenship"

If not then it has become the most exploited gray area of the law and quite possibly the constitutions undoing.

Why yes it has. Probably millions of anchor babies have taken advantage of this "gray area", and of course Barack Obama has as well. Barack has certainly been instrumental in a lot of Constitutional undoing, that's for sure.

[Yosemitest]

It's all about what the Law states AT THE TIME AND DATE THE PERSON IN QUESTION WAS BORN .
The ILLEGAL ALIEN IN CHIEF NEVER WAS AND NEVER WILL BE A United States Citizen, LET ALONE "NATURAL BORN" .

This disgusting Curse on our Nation named Barack Hussein Obama II, aka Barry Soetoro, has a real birth certificate, with his right footprint on it.
All you have to do is look for it.

The Arab-Kenyan Barack Hussein Obama II, (a.k.a. Barry Soetoro), ( the one guilty of TREASON ! ) has NO legitimate Social Security Number.
His father was NOT an immigrant to the United States.
Barack Obama Sr. was a "Transient Alien" because he did NOT intend on residing in the United States permanently.
Barack Obama Sr. was a dual citizen of Great Britain and Kenya, and NEVER a United States Citizen.

Read British National Archives Show Son Born To Obama Sr. In 1961 In Kenya!

His mother could NOT impart U.S. citizen to her son, Barack Obama II,
because she did NOT meet the legal requirements to do so,
at the time her son was born IN the Coast Provincial General Hospital, MOMBASA, KENYA at 7:21 pm on August 4, 1961.
Democrats knew this and tried to eliminate the "Natural Born Citizen" requirement at least 8 times BEFORE Obama won his election in 2008.

Obama is NOT a United States Citizen, and is NOT a LEGAL IMMIGRANT.
He has no VISA allowing him into this country.
Barack Hussein Obama II IS ILLEGAL !
He should be IMPEACHED IMMEDIATELY, tried for TREASON, SENTENCED to death,
and then have his body deported back to Kenya.

Here are some articles to assist in defining "WHO" and "WHAT" Obama IS.

Obama, the African Colonial, June 25, 2009

PRAVDA SAYS 'AMERICAN DESCENT INTO MARXISM HAPPENING WITH BREATHTAKING SPEED'!

Here's the mind of Fascist Obama, from another poster LomanBill.
"Yuri Bezmenov on demoralization" Interview with Yuri Bezmenov (ex-KGB) by Edward Griffin - 1984

Hitler / Obama Comparisons: Is Barack Obama Like Adolf Hitler or The Nazis?

But I disagree.

"Black"

No.
CORRECTION: Barack Obama, the first black Arab-American -Kenyan pResident of the United States.


Here's some FACTS.

This disgusting Curse on our Nation named Barack Hussein Obama II, aka Barry Soetoro, has a real birth certificate, with his right footprint on it.
All you have to do is look for it.

Here's some critical sources and FACTS.
People can go to www.scribd.com and read their pages 20 thru 32 ,

Introduction, THE UNDOCUMENTED WORKER IN THE OVAL OFFICE.
Obama Uses Social Security Number Issued in Connecticut —
Whose Social Security Number Is Barack Obama Using?

For those of you who don't know, remember this:

The Democrats knew about this BEFORE Obama was elected in 2008!

8 Congressional attempts from June 2004 to February 2008 to alter Article II Section 1 Clause 5 of the US Constitution, proves to me

that the DNC knew that Obama was born in Kenya.

Read it for yourself.

What did Congress know about 'natural-born citizen'?
8 tries at eliminating requirement suggests organized strategy in place

Then look at these links.

1. June 11, 2003, Rep. Snyder, Vic (D) 108th congress, H.J.Res. 59

2. Sep 3, 2003, Rep. Conyers, John Jr., (D) H.J.Res. 67

3. Feb 25, 2005, Sen. Nickles, Don (R-OK) Senate Bill 2128, counter the democrats Natural Born Citizen Act - but Defines it wrong

4. Sep 15, 2004, Rep Dana Rohrabacher (D)(R-CA46) H.J.Res 104

5. Jan 4, 2005, Rep Conyers, John Jr., H.J.Res. 2 109th Congress

6. Feb 1, 2005, Rep Rohrabacher, Dana (D) (CA-46) H.J.Res.15

7. April 14, 2005, Rep. Snyder, Vic (D) (AR-2) H.J.Res. 42

8. Feb 28, 2008, Senator McCaskill, Claire (D) Attachment to a military bill Senate Bill 2678 Titled Children of Military Families Natural Born Citizen Act.
DNC Presidential Candidate Senator Clinton and Senator Obama were cosponsors of this bill.

9. April 10, 2008, Sen McCaskill, Claire (D) (MO) Senate Res.511 passed declaring Senator John McCain a Natural Born Citizen.
But it was never in question. It was cosponsored by DNC Presidential Candidate Senator Clinton and Senator Obama.

Just before the 2008 election Barack Obama's election team spent $1.4 million blocking access to all of Obama's records.

Barack Hussein Obama II is UNCONSTITUTIONALLY QUALIFIED.
There were 8 attempts by Democrats to try to "Change the Qualification Rules" BEFORE Obama was elected.
They KNOW Obama's ILLEGAL ... AND .... UNQUALIFIED!

Obama's record is hard to find.
Check this link out Sunday, June 27, 2004 Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate.

Think about this.

"On August 4, 1961 Obama's mother, father and grandmother were attending a Muslim festival in Mombasa , Kenya .

Mother had been refused entry to airplanes due to her nine month pregnancy.
It was a hot August day at the festival so the Obamas went to the beach to cool off.
While swimming in the ocean his mother experienced labor pains so was rushed to the Coast Provincial General Hospital, Mombasa, Kenya where Obama was born a few hours later at 7:21 pm on August 4, 1961(what a sad day for the USA!).
Four days later his mother flew to Hawaii and registered his birth in Honolulu as a certificate of live birth which omitted the place and hospital of birth."

Here's something to ponder.

I think it more likely that the trip from Kenya actually occurred in August 1961, shortly after BHO-II's birth at the Coast Province General Hospital in Mombasa.
Ann and her newborn son flew from Nairobi to London, via BOAC Flight BA162 and then took the non-stop BOAC flight from London to Vancouver, Canada.
She then traveled the 110 miles or so, across the border, to Seattle in time to start Fall Semester, night-school extension classes at the University of Washington.
The trip would be challenging for a new mother, but she was young, healthy, intelligent, and capable.
BOAC was very accomodating to mothers with young children back in the 1960s. No real problem!

From the Airline Timetable Images - List of Complete Timetables, the cost of BOAC from April 24,1960 until October 1, 1962 was:
From Vancouver to Nairobi cost in Canadian Dollars:
Single Return
DL 1115.00 2026.80
F 1055.50 1918.80
T 764.00 1396.00
Y 701.00 1282.60



Passanger Fares could be "FLY NOW AND PAY LATER".
Arrangements could be made whereby residents of certain areas may, on payment of a 10% deposit, travel immediately and pay the balance of fare in monthly instalments.

If you're wondering about where the money came from, think about this.
Look at all the financial supporters Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. had.
"In 1959, Obama Sr. received a scholarship in economics through a program organized by nationalist leader Tom Mboya.
The program offered Western educational opportunities to outstanding Kenyan students.[22][23][24]
Initial financial supporters of the program included Harry Belafonte, Sidney Poitier, Jackie Robinson, and Elizabeth Mooney Kirk,
a literacy advocate who provided most of the financial support for Obama Sr.'s early years in the United States, according to the Tom Mboya archives at Stanford University.
Funds provided the following year by John F. Kennedy's family paid off old debts of the project and subsidized student stipends,
thereby indirectly benefiting Obama Sr. and other members of the 1959 group of scholarship holders.

Yes, it's quite clear that money wasn't a problem for the Marxists Revolutionaries.


Passanger Information for that time frame can be found here.
Connections from Nairobi - Lusaka - Salisbury can be found here.

The BOAC World Routes Map is found here.

Departure arrival times from Britian to Nairobi are found here.

Departure arrival times for London and Vancouver are found here.

Now think about those facts,and statements.
The forgeries I'm aware of, are the three Birth Cretificate Barack Hussein Obama II has forged.
I don't trust evidence put forth by Obama supporters.
The disappearance of too much evidence on Obama is strong enough for me to know that he was born in Kenya.

Read INS DOC FOUND: U.S. CERTIFICATE ISSUED TO ONE EAST AFRICAN-BORN CHILD OF U.S. CITIZEN IN 1961!
The documents provided in that article are very damaging to Obama, and well worth your time.