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Free Republic University, Department of History presents World War II Plus 70 Years: Seminar and Discussion Forum
First session: September 1, 2009. Last date to add: September 2, 2015.
Reading assignment: New York Times articles and the occasional radio broadcast delivered daily to students on the 70th anniversary of original publication date. (Previously posted articles can be found by searching on keyword “realtime” Or view Homer’s posting history .)
To add this class to or drop it from your schedule notify Admissions and Records (Attn: Homer_J_Simpson) by freepmail. Those on the Realtime +/- 70 Years ping list are automatically enrolled. Also visit our general discussion thread.
1 posted on 07/28/2015 4:57:19 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
Selections from West Point Atlas for the Second World War
China, 1941: Operation Ichigo, 1945 and Final Operations in the War

2 posted on 07/28/2015 4:57:43 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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We knew how to fight and win wars back then. Entire cities destroyed. Not that I rejoice over that history, but a great general stated, and I paraphrase, "Anything less than total warfare is immoral."
8 posted on 07/28/2015 5:22:06 AM PDT by semaj (Audentes fortuna juvat: Fortune favors the bold. Be Bold FRiends.)
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The Japanese of the higher classes often engage in what is called haragei 腹芸. The "hara" is the same as for hara-kiri 腹切り or suicide by disembowelment, literally "cutting [open] the hara." While westerners think of the essence of a person metaphorically being in the heart, the Japanese metaphor is the 腹 or belly, which is why suicide by disembowelment is supposed to release one's soul from the body.

But back to haragei. Japanese language at the higher levels is nothing if not diplomatic, as befits a people knit together by a combination of (supposed) racial purity, Confucianism, and having to live cheek-by-jowl with each other. Communication is never ever direct, always roundabout and metaphorical: you let your soul rather than your mouth speak, and the listener picks up on the cues and gets the meaning without the meaning having to be said.

Moreover, the decision-making process in Japan is referred to as nemawashi 根回し, a term which refers to bonsai tree root-pruning. Group decisions are only made after round after round after round of roundabout discussion, deliberation, analysis, and ensuring a consensus of all involved parties, particularly all involved authorities. It might be described as ready-aim-ready-aim-ready-aim-ready-aim-ready-aim-ready-aim-ready-aim-ready-aim-fire. While the nemawashi process is going on, everyone has to wait for the consensus to build.

Which takes us to mokusatsu, 黙殺. When PM Suzuki responded to the Potsdam Declaration, he used the term mokusatsu, and people have for the last 70 years or so debated just what the word was supposed to mean. It literally means "kill with silence," and it came across to the US as a slap in the face, that the Declaration was beneath the contempt of the Japanese government and so did not deserve a response. IIRC, it was this that prompted Truman to drop the bomb as an in-your-face response.

The problem, of course, is that what Suzuki may have meant was simply that the Declaration would not be accepted, rejected, or (attempt to be) negotiated until the nemawashi process was completed--something that would be obvious to any Japanese who listened, not to the words, but to the haragei. Or it could have meant that the Japanese government would ignore the Declaration until it came up with its own counteroffer. Or it could have meant, but almost certainly did not mean, that the Japanese wanted to give the Allies a slap in the face and a complete refusal to consider terms of surrender...

...except that this is exactly what the Allies took the word as meaning, because they got Suzuki's response in a Japanese-to-English translation that got the words correct and the meaning incorrect, because the meaning was hidden in haragei.

Would it have made any difference if the Allies had understood what Suzuki meant by mokusatsu? Probably not: Atlee evidently didn't care what happened to Japan (choosing Bevin as his foreign minister partly proves that, I think), Chiang was by this time more concerned with Mao than with Japan, Stalin wanted to loot Mongolia and Manchuria and maybe get the northern half of Japan...and Americans wanted to see the Japanese grovel the way they had seen the Nazis grovel, if not more. But history is a series of what ifs, and this is one of the bigger "what ifs" of WWII.

10 posted on 07/28/2015 5:53:21 AM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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It is interesting to read about the nascent civil rights movement on page 12. I guess Negroes was the respectable term then?


14 posted on 07/28/2015 6:40:25 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (As we say in the Air Force, "You know you're over the target when you start getting flak!")
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To: ExTexasRedhead

ping


16 posted on 07/28/2015 7:10:54 AM PDT by laplata ( Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Page 12

Interesting story about blacks finally get the right to vote in Democrat Party primaries, in 1945! The Dems sure wanted to keep them out for a long time.


38 posted on 07/29/2015 12:30:50 AM PDT by GeronL
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