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Say It Ain’t So, Pope
Townhall.com ^ | July 19, 2015 | Bruce Bialosky

Posted on 07/19/2015 5:31:47 AM PDT by Kaslin

Recently we had a rendezvous with my daughter’s future roommate (plus her mother and her mother’s best friend). The roommate is moving to Los Angeles from New Jersey after graduating from college. When we met the mother and her friend, they were both prominently wearing crosses on necklaces. We felt much more comfortable about the future of our child’s new living arrangement. They were delighted to find out we were committed Jews.

I spend extensive time discussing with people who adhere to different denominations of Christianity. I am still befuddled by the varieties of Protestantism and I am confident I will never get it down as hard as I try. I rarely, if ever, criticize someone adhering peacefully to their religion. At this juncture I feel compelled to criticize this Pope (Francis) because he has crossed over into my area – public policy – more than sticking to healing the faithful of his religion.

That is not unfamiliar territory for Jewish Republicans. We experience this often from rabbis, due to the fact the vast majority of rabbis are people of the Left. They feel compelled to express their left-leaning beliefs from the pulpit, while Republicans often cringe at High Holiday services as we endure an onslaught of leftist mantra in lieu of a lesson about the Torah. As important as that is to us, it pales in comparison to the magnitude of the comments from our current Pope.

There is no doubt that Pope Francis came to his defined point of view after being shaped by his life experience in Argentina with its deeply-confused political structure. One might think that he would reject left-wing politics, having experiencing firsthand the failure of Argentina’s socialist-leaning governments. Instead he appears to have Paul Krugman, the befuddling economist and columnist for the New York Times, as his guiding light. Francis like Krugman seems to think that every failure of invasive government and restriction of capitalism is an excuse to double down with the mantra that the problem is government has not gone far enough.

First, Pope Francis issued an encyclical regarding climate change. I must stop here and cite that anyone who uses the terminology “climate change” is just downright silly. No one in their right mind does not understand that the climate is fully in flux at all times. The significant changes in the environment are not only outside our control, but beyond the scope of worldly endeavors as matters in our solar system and beyond, have grave effects on our climate and its ever evolution. I am more an adherent of George Carlin (certainly no conservative) who can be seen here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB0aFPXr4n4). I also have interviewed multiple real climatologists who question the models used to calculate these ‘severe’ weather changes either because of their inability to replicate the models or the fact that the models have been so divergent from actual experience.

But the bigger problem I have with Pope Francis generates from his comments on economic policy. You may know the Pope recently went to South America. Other than doing normal Popely duties he delivered a dissertation on economics. He chose to deliver these comments in Bolivia, which as a country is following in the footsteps of Venezuela. Bolivia is ranked as the 163rd freest country in the world out of 178 countries on the list. The President, Evo Morales, has been in office since 2005 and has no plans for retiring. Bolivia is rich in natural resources and oil, but has produced South America’s poorest economy with average daily earnings of $2. Morales has expropriated more than 20 companies.

The Pope railed against a system that “imposed the mentality at any price, with no concern for social exclusion or the destruction of nature.” That is a turning of a phrase that any Marxist would be proud to have stated. This speech followed comments from President Morales wearing a jacket from his mass-murdered collection which was adorned with a picture of Che Guevara.

The Pope even invoked the true enemy in describing capitalism when he quoted a 4th century bishop by saying it was the “dung of the devil.” Wow, what would he call the mass murdering societies of National Socialism and Communism? Certainly, capitalists do bad things, but to be so ignorant as to not understand that more people have advanced through democratic capitalism to a quality and healthy life than through any other form of government just reeks of prejudice and denial.

This Pope does not understand how wealth is created. That very wealth feeds his church and keeps it solvent. He also does not seem to understand that capitalism breeds believers in the fruit of the divine. Does he really believe that the alternatives are not aimed at destroying the church? In effect he is expediting his own church’s execution. Yes there are religious people who abuse capitalism, but more often than not the ones who adhere to capitalism’s true betterment of mankind our religious souls and the non-believers are the abusers.

On a trip to Thailand, we had to buy a suitcase to bring home all the inexpensive clothing we bought. But I focused on how great it was for the Thais that they had quality shoes and shirts and pants at affordable prices as part of producing lower-priced products for us. Capitalism has moved in the past 30 years a few hundred million peasants in China and India from uneducated, barely-existing lives to a hope for the future where they are clothed and housed and educated.

That is us capitalists, Pope Francis, Not Che and Evo’s socialist friends in Cuba and Bolivia. Sorry, sir, but you placed the devil on the wrong team. You may need to go back and study up on Pope John Paul II.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: capitalism; catholicchurch; climatechange; popefrancis
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To: Sherman Logan

OK.

I misunderstood then.


41 posted on 07/19/2015 11:25:48 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Kaslin; 3D-JOY; abner; Abundy; AGreatPer; Albion Wilde; AliVeritas; alisasny; ALlRightAllTheTime; ..

PING!


42 posted on 07/19/2015 12:59:36 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Cancer-free since 1988! US out of UN! UN out of US!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
A lot for FReepers-- probably a lot of people out there in the non-FReep world, too --- seem to be assuming that there are two systems, communism and capitalism, and the pope is anti-capitalism, so he must be pro-communism.

The Pope favors those of a socialist/communist bent, while relentlessly attacking an imaginary, evil economic construct which he has arbitrarily labeled "capitalism". The political leaders and opinion leaders whom he praises and surrounds himself with (e.g. Evo Morales, founder of the "Movement Toward Socialism" party, Gustavo Gutierrez, founder of "Liberation Theology", Hans Schellnhuber, who "proposes the need for indispensable forms of World Governance — or in his own suspicious words, a “global democratic society” — to be organized within the framework of the current United Nations"*...) work actively to undermine subsidiarity as related to the right to political and economic self-determination. His appreciation for their efforts combined with his own calls for "redistribution" confirm his decidedly leftist leanings.

*http://catholicism.org/professor-hans-joachim-schellnhuber-a-rap-sheet.html

43 posted on 07/19/2015 1:29:07 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: daniel1212
"It refers to what obedience to the pope required at one time, including torture and extermination of the heretics from the land, while in another torture is intrinsically evil."

Do papal teachings change? Yes, in fact, they do: to an extent. Let's see if I can make this a little clearer without writing a book. (This is good for me, too, helps me make sound distinctions in my own mind--- so, thank you for bringing it up.)

I'm going to refer to non-Church ethical discussions about torture, and then relate that to the Church.

As you know, even in the matter of contemporary US discussions of torture, the first thing you have to do is to define torture. E.g., there are some who say that waterboarding is always morally impermissible because it is torture. There are others who say it is not intrinsically torture if used for interrogation purposes, but it is torture if used to satisfy an appetite for sadism, for its psychological effect on others (e.g. a spectacle meant to intimidate a subject populace), for punishment, or for revenge. There are those who say waterboarding is not at all torture, since it does not cause death, maiming nor permanent injury, but only a transient panic attack. Etc. etc.

I was following these discussions amongst the ethicists awhile back: the guy whose line of reasoning I thought most sound was Natural Law ethicist Christopher Tollefsen (LINK) in case you're interested. I also find this article by Canon Lawyer Fr. Brian Harrison (LINK) very helpful.

Bottom line, torture has (so far) never been defined closely enough to make possible an infallible statement about it by the Church, or to call it in every case unlawful as an exceptionless norm.

You may think this a round-about answer, but it's not simple. Look, the EU wants to deny child custody to parents who give their children a mild, non-injurious smack on the butt, thus effectively defining ordinary, non-traumatic child discipline as torture. You don't want the Church to prohibit something like "torture" via an exceptionless norm unless it's exceedingly well-defined.

As for exterminating heretics: Churchmen, even with Papal approval, did historically shameful and objectively morally reprehensible things, which no one can justify. This does not have automatic traction as an argument against the papal magisterium, since the Catholic Church teaches that all papal teachings does not possess the same level of authority. And nobody has the authority to command a sin.

The Dogmatic Constitution on the Church (Lumen Gentium #25) states that one should attend to

The Holy See publishes annually in L’Osservatore Romano a listing of the relative weight of magisterial documents. The basic outline for such judgments is summarized in these guidelines for the exegesis of Church texts by canonist James Bretzke, SJ (LINK).

Back to your main point, I think you'd have to distinguish between different kinds of heresy, running from maintaining an erroneous opinion ("Jesus was an archangel") to violating Natural Law ("Let's sacrifice war captives to Huitzilopochtli!") to organizing armed rebellion ("First, kill the papal legates"). You'd also have to distinguish between ecclesiatical penalties: "excommunication" which would involve being barred from the sacraments; "interdict" which is like excommunication for a whole group (a monastery, a province, a nation) plus economic sanctions (being shunned/boycotted); "extermination", which in ecclesiastical penalties means being physically banned from a place, i.e. expulsion, exile, outlawry.

The State had its own penalties, always more harsh and bloody; the Church did not have the power or authority to impose such penalties nor, strictly, to order them; and they were imposed mostly in cases where a heretical movement was morphing into political subversion, open rebellion, or civil war.

Feeling a little overwhelmed?

The "papal magisterium" bugtussle has gotten even more hair-splitting under Pope Francis, since he lards so much opinion-manifesto and prudential stuff into magisterial documents (like the public policy recommendations ---strictly non-magisterial --- in Laudato Si), and the Faithful have --- I think ---- the right to object, "A mashup isn't a mandate. Would you exercise a little more verbal self-restraint, already?"

Related posts: not about the papal magisterium per se, but about torture and the suppression of heresy: on the Inquisition (LINK) and "The Black Legend" (LINK)

44 posted on 07/19/2015 6:17:47 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of Hmmm...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
yep.
45 posted on 07/19/2015 6:30:53 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
"Today we are dismayed..."

Dismayed? I'm dismayed when a red light slows me down on my way to work. How about "outraged?" And how about making it the top priority, instead of an afterthought, while spewing ignorance about the best system for ameliorating the conditions of the poor that mankind has yet devised.

46 posted on 07/19/2015 6:35:46 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Sherman Logan
Too many conservatives who never actually read Adam Smith do not know that he was a moral philosopher, who insisted that capitalism like any other human endeavor must be conducted within the bounds of morality.

In this regard it is no different and no worse than any other system yet devised. And as bitter experience has shown, it is far better than most.

To ascribe only to capitalism those universal human corruptions, which occur in every system and usually to a far greater extent in the alternatives, is an egregious display.

47 posted on 07/19/2015 6:44:23 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

Quite right.


48 posted on 07/19/2015 6:45:55 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

It is the parasites he is catering to. While it is true that in Argentina, honest hard working people who live life prudently have a tough go of it through not fault of their own, that is NOT the case in the capitalist nations he is complaining about.


49 posted on 07/19/2015 7:47:18 PM PDT by MSF BU (Support the troops: Join Them.)
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To: Impy
Why does a commie have to be an Atheist? Answer, he doesn’t.

Commies can also be capitalists. Just look at the Chinese. Even beyond that, pretty much all commie countries idolize money and material objects as their false gods. If one is looking for people who literally worship money as their god, then one can find many among the inmates of communist regimes.

50 posted on 07/20/2015 2:46:42 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (We have had enough of immorality and the mockery of ethics, goodness, faith and honesty.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I'd tend to be anti-capitalism and pro-free-enterprise.

That's a good way to put it. A guy shouldn't be paying a cut to an all-powerful international finance system, in return for the license to run up a lemonade stand. But that's where our future is going, because the propagandists of the new world order have convinced people that this is synonymous with free enterprise.

51 posted on 07/20/2015 3:04:24 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (We have had enough of immorality and the mockery of ethics, goodness, faith and honesty.)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

Any attempt at defending the Red Pope and the nonsense he spouts falls on deaf ears with me. My mom told me she knows a Priest and Nun that say a rosary daily asking God to CALL HIM HOME!!


52 posted on 07/20/2015 8:10:49 AM PDT by Impy (They pull a knife, you pull a gun. That's the CHICAGO WAY, and that's how you beat the rats!)
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