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Ashkenazi Jews descend from 350 people, study finds
The Times of Israel ^ | Andrew Tobin

Posted on 07/15/2015 2:42:04 PM PDT by Pharmboy

‘Bottleneck’ dates back 600 to 800 years, genome analysis shows; researcher says among population ‘everyone is a 30th cousin.

Illustrative photo of Ashkenazi Jews, taken from Nurit Ben Sheetri's 'The Redheads' exhibit at Dizengoff Center (courtesy Nurit Ben Sheetrit)

A new study concludes that all Ashkenazi Jews can trace their ancestry to a “bottleneck” of just 350 individuals, dating back to between 600 and 800 years ago.

The study, published in the Nature Communications journal Tuesday, was authored by Shai Carmi, a computer science professor at Columbia University, and more than 20 medical researchers from Yale, Columbia, Yeshiva University’s Albert Einstein College of Medicine, Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center, Hebrew University of Jerusalem and other institutions.

Researchers analyzed the genomes of 128 Ashkenazi Jews and compared them to those of non-Jewish Europeans in order to determine which genetic markers are unique to Ashkenazi Jews. They found that the Ashkenazi Jews’ genetic similarities were so acute that one of the study’s researchers, Columbia professor Itsik Pe’er, told the Live Science website that among Ashkenazi Jews, “everyone is a 30th cousin.”

The findings will enable researchers to catalog nearly all of the genetic variations from the founding population, the study’s authors said. Such thorough genetic cataloging could help clinicians interpret individual genetic mutations, improve disease mapping and provide insight into the histories of Middle Eastern and European populations, the study said.

(Excerpt) Read more at timesofisrael.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Germany; Israel; Russia; United Kingdom
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To: 1010RD

LOL! Some, yes...


61 posted on 07/15/2015 5:45:29 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: jimwatx

I don’t think you’re missing much...as you know there were 3 major Crusades, and these might have had a small part in reducing their numbers, but the Black Death likely had a larger effect.


62 posted on 07/15/2015 5:48:10 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: bert; blam

I believe their DNA was Euro; but blam is the expert on this.


63 posted on 07/15/2015 5:49:53 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: jjotto

Thanks for that clarification. But I’m still confused. Did the 12 tribes freely intermarry? Or did they tend more toward toward seeking marriage within their own tribe? My impression is that cousin-marriage was favored but I don’t grasp the implications of that.


64 posted on 07/15/2015 5:56:15 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (May the Lord bless you and keep you, may He turn to you His countenance and give you peace.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I read somewhere that every Jew now living, is a descendant of Judah, the son of Jacob (in Genesis). Is that true?

No. They're all descended through Abraham, Isaac & Jacob, but start branching out through the 12 sons of Jacob.

65 posted on 07/15/2015 5:57:52 PM PDT by Smittie (Just like an alien, I'm a stranger in a strange land)
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To: Pharmboy

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With the MSM there’s no limit to the number of targets, eh? Headlines write the jokes for you.


66 posted on 07/15/2015 5:58:36 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Pharmboy

No I mean I wasn’t including the earlier Crusades that might have affected the Sephardic Jews in Spain and Portugal, I was thinking Rhineland Jews would be of the Ashkenazis variety but according to this study they apparently didn’t exist back then (in 1096). Anyone have a link to the scientific paper, I’m also curious as to what statistical sampling methods were used.


67 posted on 07/15/2015 5:58:46 PM PDT by jimwatx
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To: Smittie
But the 10 tribes if Israel were all wiped out or scattered, right?

I realize this may be a stupid question, but I know so little....

68 posted on 07/15/2015 6:01:18 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (May the Lord bless you and keep you, may He turn to you His countenance and give you peace.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

An earlier study says mitrochondrial DNA shows that the earliest female Ashkenazis were primarily of Euro origin, with the male side being Jewish origin.


69 posted on 07/15/2015 6:08:53 PM PDT by jimwatx
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To: jimwatx

for the misunderstanding. Got it; but according to the seemingly complete article in wiki here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews, they arose in the early medieval period in the 5th to 10th century.


70 posted on 07/15/2015 6:10:08 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Tribes have pretty freely intermarried for 2,500 years or so, that’s for sure.

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/1701071/jewish/Are-the-Ten-Lost-Tribes-Ever-Coming-Back.htm

...While many have the idea that all Jews now are descendants of only two and a half tribes, the truth is that when the ten tribes were captured and sent into exile, a tenth of their population remained. As the prophet Amos proclaims, “For so said the Lordd: The city that gives forth a thousand shall remain with a hundred, and the one that gives forth a hundred shall remain with ten, of the house of Israel.”

...Jeremiah was on a divine mission to the ten tribes, and in fact he actually gathered them up and returned them to Israel, where Josiah ruled over them.

This, however, does not mean that the prophet Jeremiah returned all of the exiles. Rather, he gathered only some people of the ten tribes who had managed to escape while being led into exile. They then joined the rest of the Jewish nation and are included in their history...


71 posted on 07/15/2015 6:14:00 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Mrs. Don-o
The Kingdom was divided into two Kingdoms, the Northern Kingdom, known as Israel & the Southern Kingdom, known as Judah after the death of King Solomon. The Northern Kingdom was eventually conquered & the tribes were taken away as captives. The Southern Kingdom consisted of The tribes of Judah & Benjamin. The Northern Kingdom was composed of the rest.

The tribes of the North became known as "The Lost Tribes", but there were members of the tribes that lived and did business in the South that didn't get carted off. There numbers were greatly diminished of course, but God always preserves a remnant of Jews.

72 posted on 07/15/2015 6:33:17 PM PDT by Smittie (Just like an alien, I'm a stranger in a strange land)
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To: jjotto

Thanks for the link, jjotto. Very interesting.


73 posted on 07/15/2015 6:35:46 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (May the Lord bless you and keep you, may He turn to you His countenance and give you peace.)
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To: Pharmboy

As an Ashkenazi, I’m a genetic time bomb. My mother died of breast cancer, so I worry about myself (so far, so good). Nowadays lots of us go for genetic screening before marriage.


74 posted on 07/15/2015 7:55:32 PM PDT by MoochPooch (I'm a compassionate cynic.)
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To: MoochPooch

If she was diagnosed before age 50, your genes should be looked at for the BRCA mutations. If she was diagnosed later in life, you needn’t be overly concerned.


75 posted on 07/15/2015 8:05:43 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Pharmboy
"The analysis also suggested that today’s Europeans are descended primarily from migrants from the Middle East after the last ice age, about 20,000 years ago, not from the first humans to arrive to the continent about 40,000 years ago. "

This contradicts other genetic studies I have read.

One study says that about 50% of Europeans are descended from a man in Northern Pakistan 45,000 years ago and made their way to Europe via Russia. The other 50% are from relatives of the same man who made their way to Europe via the Middle East a thousand years later.

So..........

The Ashkenazi Jews have the hightest IQ of all others in the world.....80% of the Jewish immigrants to the USA are the Ashkenazi variety.

76 posted on 07/15/2015 9:09:41 PM PDT by blam (Jeff Sessions For President)
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To: SunkenCiv

That 128 must be a very inbred group.

Every person has two ancestors; and 600-800 years ago is roughly 30 generations. Those 128 should have had 2^30, or 1,073,741,824, discrete ancestors living at that time; 350 is a branchless family tree. *<];-’)


77 posted on 07/15/2015 10:03:00 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: jjotto; Pharmboy; SunkenCiv; blam; All

Jews (Safardi) took a big hit prior to 1492 when Jews who would not convert were expelled from Spain, mostly to north Africa. Then there was the great plague which decimated Europe between 600 and 800 years ago. If Jews were condemned to ghettos and very poor villages they may have died in greater quantities than the Christians because of more rats and poorer nutrition. How did Jews feel about cats as pets?


78 posted on 07/15/2015 10:31:47 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: blam
The Ashkenazi Jews have the hightest IQ of all others in the world.....80% of the Jewish immigrants to the USA are the Ashkenazi variety.

...and yet they mostly vote Democrat?!?

79 posted on 07/15/2015 10:33:16 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: Boogieman
“Jew” used to just mean descendants of Judah, or people from the Kingdom of Judah, but since the remainder of the other 10 tribes mixed in with Judah, you can probably say the first Israelite was also the first “Jew” as we use the term today.

No, James wrote his letter to the 12 tribes scattered abroad. Separate then, separate now. The stick was broken under Solomon, it will be reunited under the King of kings soon.

80 posted on 07/15/2015 11:10:02 PM PDT by Partisan Gunslinger
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