Posted on 07/15/2015 9:40:06 AM PDT by rktman
Contrary to what many gun advocates argue, the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) data reveals that having a gun provides no statistically significant benefit to a would-be victim during a criminal confrontation.
(Excerpt) Read more at thetrace.org ...
Similarly, the guy that was going to break in to my house (while I was in it) using a “wrecking bar” didn’t care for how his weapon matched up against an S&W N-Framed .357 magnum. The dude had NO idea anyone was home. I have never seen a pair of eyes get so big, so fast, as when I opened the door he was getting ready to pry on and stepped out on the deck with that thing in my hand.
MethodsData come from the National Crime Victimization Survey for 2007–2011, focusing on personal contact crimes. For property loss, we examined incidents where the intent was to steal property. Multivariate analyses controlled for age, gender of offender and victim, if offender had a gun, urbanicity, and thirteen types of self-protective action.
Results
Of over 14,000 incidents in which the victim was present, 127 (0.9%) involved a SDGU. SDGU was more common among males, in rural areas, away from home, against male offenders and against offenders with a gun. After any protective action, 4.2% of victims were injured; after SDGU, 4.1% of victims were injured. In property crimes, 55.9% of victims who took protective action lost property, 38.5 of SDGU victims lost property, and 34.9% of victims who used a weapon other than a gun lost property.
Conclusions
Compared to other protective actions, the National Crime Victimization Surveys provide little evidence that SDGU is uniquely beneficial in reducing the likelihood of injury or property loss.Of over 14,000 incidents in which the victim was present, 127 (0.9%) involved a SDGU. SDGU was more common among males, in rural areas, away from home, against male offenders and against offenders with a gun. After any protective action, 4.2% of victims were injured; after SDGU, 4.1% of victims were injured. In property crimes, 55.9% of victims who took protective action lost property, 38.5 of SDGU victims lost property, and 34.9% of victims who used a weapon other than a gun lost property. — Source from the actual paper.
Read the results of the study above. . . it is obvious that the only way they get there results is lumping all "victim present crimes" into the study. Think about that. What exactly is a "victim present crime"? It is anything from a snatch and grab to assault to murder, so long as the intent was a property theft. Most of those "victim present crimes" never involve the victim to attempt to stop anything. . . or even attempt to use a firearm to prevent it. Add in the strict limitations or even prohibitions on the use of firearms in many localities and you have a conformational bias built into this so-called study.
Exactly what other weapons were more effective in allowing the victim to keep their property? Knives? Bazookas? Hand grenades? Spit balls? Snow balls? Baseball bats? Enquiring minds sure would like to know what is more effective than a gun. . . or is this merely an artifact of sheer numbers of non-gun carrying victims opposing being robbed and the cowardice of robbers faced with opposition?
Where is the percentage of victims avoiding losing their property by merely fleeing from the perp, the claim in the headlines? Frankly, I doubt they have any kind of comprehensive data on that. . .
The rest of the flawed study is hidden behind a paywall.
Did you call the cops to report the incident? The couple of times I've been forced to use a gun in such an incident, I did not bother. The miscreants were long gone, leaving only a stink of urine behind. My .45 was also quite an advantage in those situations as well.
He didn’t report it.
He was by himself and this guy came out of nowhere in the Parking Garage and approached him.
I’m sure that just Brandishing a Firearm stops more Criminals in their tracks than we can imagine.
An old Buddy of his was a Cop. He told my Brother that if he ever had to defend himself the ONLY thing he should tell the Police is “I was in fear of my Life”, period.
from the study, of which the 55.9% was conveniently left out of the article
"55.9% of victims who took protective action lost property, 38.5 of SDGU victims lost property, and 34.9% of victims who used a weapon other than a gun lost property."
Fudgepackers if I ever saw any and they are the ones behind this survey eh? What, did they call all their liberal buddies who’ve never used a gun before and had them answer the survey? Did they call on all LGBT groups across the nation and have them fill out the survey. Turn over you data so we can fact check the bullcrap lies you’re telling here.
No. The pipe fell to the ground as they high tailed it the other way.
Tell that to all the dead burglars.
> “National Crime Victimization Survey”
The name alone spells bullsh*t. I guess what this bogus gun control scam is telling us it’s better to bend over than fight back.
I just looked through some of the data and what it seems to reflect is that more persons re injured when a gun is used for self defense and less when it is not used. What they are NOT saying is who the injured refers to, the victim or the perpetrator so let me state it plainly - when a perp tries to rob or attack someone and the victim is armed, hell yeah there are more injuries from shooting the victim shooting crap out of the perp who is trying to rob or assault him / her. Likewise when the victim is not armed there are less injuries because the perp just takes what he wants and doesn’t get shot. What we need to point out is where are refences made as to what damage that were inflicted on the victims?
Damn twisted liberal lying a-holes who twist crap around to further their agenda. I hate ‘em.
No, they are aficionados of "The Fleetfooted Subject", a new feature in Runner's World Magazine, which relates the stories of people who cravenly save their lives by out running their families, wives, and children fleeing from armed thugs.
The magazine features articles on the best shoe for outrunning bad guys, how to find the best escape routes, building quick escape doors in your house, how to trip your friends in your flight to cause the thugs chasing you to stop and work over your companions, and of course, the horrors of gun violence.
Last month's cover story covered a selection of things to carry in your hand to drop, for those occasions when you need something to drop when someone cries out "Drop everything and run!"
Ads in the back of the rag include a fine selection of running shoes, white flags, and Depends.
A lot of those stories are women who used a firearm to stop a bad guy. Guess they don’t like that.
Same question I asked earlier of another. Did your brother call the cops?
Compared to what?
There is a huge stack of lies here.
i'm assuming you DID call the police in your situation. Your use might have made the statistics.
i thought not. . . so that use of a firearm never made it into the statistics these idiots are using. As I said above, it's a flawed study.
NCVS surveys households randomly selected from a stratified multistage cluster sample, with the interviews administered by the United States Census Bureau.
Yep. Maybe they should check out gunssavelives.com and read the daily feed. It’s quite entertaining.
Also, how many times has a good guy scared a thug away just by brandishing a gun? Those incidents are not reported.
Whoever designed this bogus study is a tool.
Sorry I missed your question.
He didn’t call the Cops. The situation took care of itself.
The guy he scared off didn’t pull out a Weapon, so my Brother would have had to defend his own actions.
What good would it have done except giving the Police the opportunity to confiscate his Firearm?
Bring it, I say. Let's get this civil war started, so we can get it over with before our grandchildren have to fight it. Let it come in my time.
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