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Mercury News editorial: United Methodist Church joins death with dignity movement
San Jose Mercury News ^ | 07/03/2015 | Mercury News Editorial

Posted on 07/06/2015 12:29:34 PM PDT by DFG

The California Medical Association has withdrawn its opposition to the End of Life Option Act, SB 128.

Disability rights advocates such as state Sen. Jim Beall voted for the bill in June after protections for the disabled were strengthened.

And now the California-Pacific Conference of the United Methodist Church has come out in support of the law, similar to Oregon's, which would give Californians facing an imminent, excruciating death the right to end their lives peacefully if they choose. The Methodist conference joins other Protestant communities of faith representing 1.5 million members from 21 denominations in support of the law.

(Excerpt) Read more at mercurynews.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: euthanasia; righttodie; umc

1 posted on 07/06/2015 12:29:34 PM PDT by DFG
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To: DFG

” the right to end their lives peacefully if they choose. “

They already have this “right”. Anyone can commit suicide.


2 posted on 07/06/2015 12:31:18 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: DFG

How people choose to end their lives is no concern of the state, the church, the courts or the busybodies on FR.


3 posted on 07/06/2015 12:34:54 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: DFG

>> which would give Californians facing an imminent, excruciating death <<

No-one faces an imminent, excruciating death due to medical causes. If the doctors are too afraid to provide adequately potent pain-killers for fear of lawsuits, then the reform should be focused on that; far better that some die from complications or an overdose of a painkiller than that doctors and heirs can use severe pain as a tool to get a person to literally sign their lives away.


4 posted on 07/06/2015 12:35:11 PM PDT by dangus
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To: DFG

Well, that dying denomination should know all about the subject of death. The old Methodists will soon be gone, and there will be few new ones to take their place.


5 posted on 07/06/2015 12:40:17 PM PDT by txrefugee (In)
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To: AppyPappy

In fairness, they do not always. Committing suicide may nullify life insurance, although this is less often the case than many people realize. Also, safely and effectively committing suicide once disabled is also challenging. But allowing others to help murder you is even far more problematic, since many people will consent to assisted suicide if their sufferings are allowed to be great enough.


6 posted on 07/06/2015 12:41:30 PM PDT by dangus
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To: DFG

the problem with this is the problem churches “should” have with suicide - these so called options for end of life removes God from the process. God made us and God calls us home


7 posted on 07/06/2015 12:42:03 PM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen
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To: Drango
How people choose to end their lives is no concern of the state, the church, the courts or the busybodies on FR

You're right that if people want to kill themselves it's their business ... but if they co-opt the medical profession ("first do no harm") to do so, I have cause to weigh in with an opinion. Or, as you imply, I must not express an opinion that differs from yours because (according to you, at least) the "matter is settled".

It's clear you have not thought this ethical matter through before telling others to shut up about it.

8 posted on 07/06/2015 12:50:22 PM PDT by glennaro
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To: glennaro

I said nothing about the medical establishment so don’t put words in my mouth.


9 posted on 07/06/2015 12:54:06 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: AppyPappy

It is a “special” right for people/doctors to murder.....which is NEVER allowed in our Constitution-—like the killing of babies or sodomites to “marry”...LOL.

This is replacing our Constitution (unconstitutional) AGAIN for Stalin’s or irrational paganism..


10 posted on 07/06/2015 12:55:32 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: Drango
I said nothing about the medical establishment so don’t put words in my mouth

Then your position -- your opinion -- is unclear to me.

If you meant to exclude doctor-assisted suicide from your statement: "How people choose to end their lives is no concern of ... [anyone/anything else]", then I offer my apology for presuming that you included the "medical establishment" in your blanket statement.

If not, then I stand by my position that you have not thought through the ethical ramifications of involving doctors to legally kill people (although I understand you may think you have thought it through).

Please understand that I intend no offense. I'm merely challenging your thinking and your admonition to "the busybodies on FR".

11 posted on 07/06/2015 1:05:35 PM PDT by glennaro
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To: DFG

I understand being in such pain and in such a hopeless, diseased state that you wish to just end it.

There are many people who will help you. There are many ways to do it. The state need not be involved or condone it.

Have families become so fragmented that one need rely on the state to do what has been the role of close relatives since the beginning of time?


12 posted on 07/06/2015 1:08:22 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: glennaro

The state should not regulate what medical professionals do in end of life cases.

The church should not regulate what medical professionals do in end of life cases.

The courts should not regulate what medical professionals do in end of life cases.

The busybodies on FR should not regulate what medical professionals do in end of life cases.

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As a FRee person, I should be able to ask a medical professional to assist in my end of life decision. The medical professional should be free to decline or assist in my wants.


13 posted on 07/06/2015 1:15:35 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Drango; Jim Robinson

Sorry once you start flaunting your affiliation with FR in connection with this, then the so called “Busybodies” have MORE than the right to weigh in here.


14 posted on 07/06/2015 1:16:50 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Drango
I don't agree with you about involving doctors with killing their patience, but I do appreciate (sincerely) your clarification.

Cheers!

15 posted on 07/06/2015 1:17:47 PM PDT by glennaro
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To: glennaro
patience = patients

(Is it too early for a single-malt??)

16 posted on 07/06/2015 1:18:43 PM PDT by glennaro
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To: glennaro

Well the moment a certain self-destructive thing became a rationale for marriage, other forms of self-destructiveness would come rumbling through the gate, that is a logical conclusion.

Or as some put it, “culture of death.”

We should stay far, far away from that kind of libertine pseudo libertarianism.


17 posted on 07/06/2015 1:21:40 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: glennaro

Interesting look at how doctors die. Whatever side of the debate you are on, doctors DON’T die like the rest of us.

http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2015/07/06/413691959/knowing-how-doctors-die-can-change-end-of-life-discussions


18 posted on 07/06/2015 5:53:26 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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