Posted on 06/30/2015 3:29:17 PM PDT by ckilmer
There are only two things interesting here. First Toyota is putting big bucks into this program. (As is Korea's Hundai.)
The other interesting thing is that in a couple years consumers are going to be treated to a battle royal --not just between electric, natural gas, and gasoline engines--but also hydrogen fuel cell cars. The result will be the most excellent and teachable moment in capitalism's history.
All three (plus natural gas) will steadily drive the cost of transportation down.
This will be totally great and result in a great explosion of wealth around the world
And you can have any color you want including 'black'.
That’s fine—I’ll take a black one, long as I have an H2 filling station locally...
The concept of hydrogen being an economic fuel source is just silly. Only by taking money from others not using the fuel can it be competitively priced.
Toyota’s going all in for fuel cells (which Elon Musk of Tesla calls “fool cells,” but then Teslas are battery-driven).
The man behind Toyota’s move is CEO Akio Toyoda, one of the family, who sees fuel cells as the wave of the future.
Toyota can afford it; they make a profit of about $18 billion a year, more than Ford, GM, and Honda combined.
Toyota’s Mirai fuel cell car can be refueled in less than 5 minutes with supercooled hydrogen for $45 (if you can find a filling station! — currently 13 research stations, 9 public stations, and 18 in the works in CA), versus hours to recharge a battery car. The fuel tank can withstand a bullet fired at it.
The greatest storage system for hydrogen is Diesel fuel..
Don’t blow up... easy to store... easy to make... very common and available..
and with a new engine LIBERALS HATE.... http://www.angellabsllc.com/mytengine.html
because of the logic and attributes of it..
“The concept of hydrogen being an economic fuel source is just silly. Only by taking money from others not using the fuel can it be competitively priced.”
Per the article, the fuel capacity is about 5 gallons of hydrogen. What is the cost of a gallon of hydrogen?
That is after the taxpayer subsidies. How much in real cost?
It is not difficult to obtain good performance from a new fuel cell. The problem is that the catalytic electrodes degrade and fail so that the life of the fuel cell is short. Let them run the fuel-cell for 50,000 miles and then test it in the car. That is the real test.
What is the cost of a gallon of hydrogen?
If i am understanding right a full tank is 5 gallons? and a full tank cost $45? So, $9 a gallon?
As far as I know, that is the real cost. I don’t what the subsidies are for building filling stations. There are big tax subsidies when you buy the car.
I was amazed at how committed Akio Toyoda is to this, to the exclusion of electric cars. He’s jumping right from Prius to this.
I’m happy with a gasoline car. I don’t want any hassles.
If I read the article right, it’s 315 miles on a tank at $45. So that’s 14 cents a mile. If gasoline cost 2.75 a gallon, that’s equivalent to about 20 miles per gallon of gasoline. (Check my math!)
It is compressed gas, not liquid. It doesn’t make sense to measure it in gallons. Change the pressure and the same amount of hydrogen takes a different volume.
http://www.caranddriver.com/news/2016-toyota-mirai-fuel-cell-sedan-photos-and-info-news
The Mirai can hold a maximum of 5.0 kilograms of compressed hydrogen in two 10,000-psi carbon-fiber-reinforced high-pressure tanks, one located under the rear seats and one behind them.
But these are not zero emission vehicles !! they emit Dihydrogen monoxide which is a known killer and proven greenhouse gas.
Not to mention the Carbon dioxide used to compress the hydrogen used to power these vehicles....
Zero emission....yeah, right.
“If i am understanding right a full tank is 5 gallons? and a full tank cost $45? So, $9 a gallon?”
Wow. Diesel looks like a much better option. Currently about $3.00 in California. VW Jetta/Golf/Passat get 30 mpg city and 40 mpg highway EPA.
And drive the final nails in the Arab/islamic coffin.
It is not difficult to obtain good performance from a new fuel cell. The problem is that the catalytic electrodes degrade and fail so that the life of the fuel cell is short. Let them run the fuel-cell for 50,000 miles and then test it in the car. That is the real test.
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There’s no chance the fuel cell cars are ready for prime time. the only important thing here is that there are big bucks big institutions and big time pushing this stuff. So eventually these will get better.
Of course Eventually coul be a long way in the future. But remember the money backing fuel cells guarantees a horse race.
supercooled hydrogen
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The Mirai runs on compressed hydrogen, not liquefied hydrogen.
And drive the final nails in the Arab/islamic coffin.
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You got it. Or anyway the vast oceans of cash floating around the arab world will dry up.
However, the israelis currently are the harbingers of a new era.
They are desalinizing water for 700@ acre foot for municipalities and then transporting their brown water to their fields.
This is just huge.
The Israelis have become water independent.
In not the distant future the cost of water desalination will fall in half. Then all all the deserts of the world will be turned green. this will be advantageous to the arabs. but it won’t be easy money like they have now and it will change them.
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