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To: ckilmer

The concept of hydrogen being an economic fuel source is just silly. Only by taking money from others not using the fuel can it be competitively priced.


4 posted on 06/30/2015 3:44:16 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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The greatest storage system for hydrogen is Diesel fuel..

Don’t blow up... easy to store... easy to make... very common and available..

and with a new engine LIBERALS HATE.... http://www.angellabsllc.com/mytengine.html

because of the logic and attributes of it..


6 posted on 06/30/2015 3:51:18 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited (specifically) to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: thackney

“The concept of hydrogen being an economic fuel source is just silly. Only by taking money from others not using the fuel can it be competitively priced.”

Per the article, the fuel capacity is about 5 gallons of hydrogen. What is the cost of a gallon of hydrogen?


7 posted on 06/30/2015 3:51:25 PM PDT by truth_seeker (come with the outlws.)
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To: thackney
The concept of hydrogen being an economic fuel source is just silly. Only by taking money from others not using the fuel can it be competitively priced.

Agreed. Very difficult to transport because of hydrogen embrittlement.

I take exception with the zero emission nonsense. First, hydrogen has to be produced with electrolysis. This requires another power source to produce the electricity. Second, water vapor is the emission and the most powerful greenhouse gas.
20 posted on 06/30/2015 4:26:46 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media. #2ndAmendmentMatters)
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To: thackney

The concept of hydrogen being an economic fuel source is just silly. Only by taking money from others not using the fuel can it be competitively priced.
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I don’t disagree with you even a little bit.

The only important thing here is how much progress has been made and how much money is behind further R&D.

It looks very much like the Japanese have understood that they can’t afford to be importing oil anymore. Their debt is too high.

Toyota’s determined push looks very much like national policy. That means that the money for R&D will be large constant and determined. 10 years from now after multibillion dollar investments-—Toyota still may have only closed the gap with internal combustion engines by 50% or more likely —the fuel efficiency of internal combustion engines will have doubled. But Toyota will continue to push for ever better fuel cell cars.


21 posted on 06/30/2015 4:33:19 PM PDT by ckilmer (q)
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On Japanese national policy —you have to watch the events in the south china sea. the chinese are intent on controlling that sea and therefor controlling the supply of oil to Japan. The chinese figure to create a choke point.

The Japanese are starting to collaborate with all parties to stop Chinese expansion into the south china sea. I’d also bet that Toyota’s efforts to create a fuel cell car that will wean the Japanese off internal combustion engines and therefor oil—is also a part of their national strategy.


27 posted on 06/30/2015 4:39:17 PM PDT by ckilmer (q)
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To: thackney
The concept of hydrogen being an economic fuel source is just silly. Only by taking money from others not using the fuel can it be competitively priced.

Don't confuse the issue with facts.

Except for stop and creep city driving, a Yaris will get the same mileage as a Prius. With 1/4 the repair costs. I make a lot of money fixing Prius. (Prii?) If the hydrogen is refined from natural gas there are CO2 emissions somewhere. Electrolysis, same story.

35 posted on 06/30/2015 5:17:24 PM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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