Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Cruz: Clerks Should be Able to Opt Out of Gay Marriage Licenses
Texas Tribune ^ | 6/27/2015 | PatrickSvitek

Posted on 06/27/2015 6:32:59 PM PDT by VinL

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-8081-94 next last
To: VinL

BTW - God Bless both Ted Cruz and Mike Huckabee for taking strong stands on this issue. May God protect them both.


21 posted on 06/27/2015 7:13:01 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: berdie; xzins; wagglebee
And lose tax exempt status.

No. The church can preside over the religious ceremony of "holy matrimony'.

If someone wants to get "married" and have it recognized by the State, you just go to the county clerk and register the wedding yourself.

As long as the pastor is not acting as an agent of the state, the ceremony is strictly religious and the religion can set its own standards.

Holy Matrimony is a strictly religious rite. Let the Supreme Court try to force the states to recognize gay "holy matrimony".

That would violate their perverted view of the separation of church and state.

The Supreme Court has redefined the word "married" to be a civilly recognized contract between two or more people.

Holy Matrimony is the religious rite of joining a man and a woman together before God.

22 posted on 06/27/2015 7:17:36 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Resistance to Tyrants is obedience to God!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: VinL

I think the county clerk in Parker County, TX is already testing that theory


23 posted on 06/27/2015 7:18:40 PM PDT by GeronL
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: cripplecreek

A whole new underground economy could be built


24 posted on 06/27/2015 7:23:04 PM PDT by GeronL
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: ClearCase_guy

Since the Fed was established, all money belongs to the new Roman Empire.

If you want to go out and amass Caeser’s Coin, you will have to play by Caeser’s Rules.


25 posted on 06/27/2015 7:27:38 PM PDT by bakeneko
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: berdie; wagglebee; P-Marlowe

First, the so called tax exemption that the Fed controls is not all that. It really is almost totally irrelevant in fly-over America where mortgages on houses are normal. I barely get enough deductions to make itemizing worth it. Therfore, most people in our area take the standard deduction, so their church giving doesn’t make any significant dent in the taxes paid, and even then it’s only a return on gift of their effective tax rate.

Second, ‘matrimony’ is a word with root ‘mater’, meaning mother. It is the institution designed to protect the needs of motherhood. Not that it would matter to these supremes. They’d lie to your face and tell you a train is a plane.

Finally, there is no law that says a state has to do anything at all about marriage. It could issue no licenses, collect no data, require no forms. That would probably save money. Doing nothing at all, by the way, is treating everyone equally.


26 posted on 06/27/2015 7:29:23 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray for their victory or quit saying you support our troops)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: P-Marlowe

I certainly hope you are correct.

But I really think there will be a huge rush to be married in the church (of their choice).

When refused...there will be lawsuits galore.


27 posted on 06/27/2015 7:32:12 PM PDT by berdie
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: bakeneko

> I don’t think that course would be a very wise thing to do; you would be opening up yourself to civil litigation regardless of your stand.

We’re way past the worrying about civil litigation stage now.


28 posted on 06/27/2015 7:34:51 PM PDT by jsanders2001
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: xzins

You will have to help me out here..

I was under the impression that Churches operated tax free.

I was under the impression that was out of the realm of tax deductible “contributions”.

There are many wealthy congregations.

Is that not the case?


29 posted on 06/27/2015 7:40:58 PM PDT by berdie
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: Blood of Tyrants

Exactly. I’ve been saying that for a long time. Who the hell is anyone in government to insist on a “marriage license” anyway?


30 posted on 06/27/2015 7:52:49 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("It doesn't work for me. I gotta have more cowbell!")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: GeronL

good it needs to be tested in court..


31 posted on 06/27/2015 7:53:29 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: berdie
Churches "discriminate" against people on a regular basis, and they don't suffer any legal penalties as a result.

In fact, it is this "discrimination" that defines them as religious organizations.

If you have any doubts about this, just go to your local Catholic priest and ask him to officiate over a bar mitzvah for your son.

32 posted on 06/27/2015 7:56:16 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("It doesn't work for me. I gotta have more cowbell!")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: jsanders2001

Just like with Equal Housing Authority, they will send millions to ‘test’ compliance with the new Fiat. There are thousands of lawyers lined up to sue with their fake faggots.


33 posted on 06/27/2015 7:59:27 PM PDT by txhurl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: berdie

I pay income taxes and I’m the pastor. In fact, I have to pay double on social security because I pay the employer’s part plus my part. All of my people pay taxes, and I’m betting not one in 10 get any benefit out of the possibility of donations being deductible.

I don’t think there are that many wealthy congregations. The vast majority of churches are 100 attenders or less.


34 posted on 06/27/2015 8:02:31 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray for their victory or quit saying you support our troops)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: berdie
But I really think there will be a huge rush to be married in the church (of their choice).

There are a lot of churches that embrace homosexual "marriage". There is no shortage of them.

They are all on the road to Hell, but they are out there.

35 posted on 06/27/2015 8:04:09 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Resistance to Tyrants is obedience to God!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: Alberta's Child

*chuckle*

But how many Jewish people will ask for a priest?

How many gay people will demand to be married in the church of THEIR choice? An will be willing to go to court to force it? I think the recent kerfluffle with the bakeries will be a memory. The SC will be flooded with cases. And we have seen how fair they are.


36 posted on 06/27/2015 8:06:31 PM PDT by berdie
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: VinL

End all this foolishness. Charge same sex couples $200,000 for a marriage license.


37 posted on 06/27/2015 8:07:27 PM PDT by Daffynition ("We Are Not Descended From Fearful Men")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: xzins

I really didn’t mean that you, as a pastor, did not pay taxes.

But maybe you can help me out. Does the church, its self, operate tax free?

Of course, there are many congregations that are small. But there are many, many churches with large congregations that have great wealth. It will be interesting to see if lawsuits are brought against a specific church/preacher or against the denomination. Sorry if I sound cynical...but at the end of the day it’s all about the benjamins.


38 posted on 06/27/2015 8:17:40 PM PDT by berdie
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: P-Marlowe; berdie

There are churches and denomination in just about every city in the US that will now be marrying homosexuals. There always were some, but the social media is full of folks who think this is just wonderful. And so, those churches that are people-centered and program focused will cater to the crowds if they can.


39 posted on 06/27/2015 8:19:47 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray for their victory or quit saying you support our troops)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: VinL

If Barry Soetoro can ignore the Law, so too can We (for the next 18 months)


40 posted on 06/27/2015 8:32:47 PM PDT by Steven Tyler
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-8081-94 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson