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Prediction time: Will John Roberts break with the right on gay marriage too?
Hot Air.com ^ | June 25, 2015 | ALLAHPUNDIT

Posted on 06/25/2015 5:12:39 PM PDT by Kaslin

Having totally predicted the outcome of today’s ObamaCare decision, I feel obliged to try to guess the vote count on tomorrow’s (or next week’s?) gay-marriage outcome too. In some ways this is an easier call than King v. Burwell, in some ways it’s harder. It’s easier in the sense that the outcome isn’t in doubt. There was, at least, a chance (according to some people, not me) that Roberts and Kennedy would side with the other conservatives and strike down federal O-Care subsidies. To predict King correctly, you had to guess the outcome before you guessed the votes. The gay-marriage case is easier insofar as the outcome isn’t in doubt. Eight votes are all but assured: Kennedy and the four liberals will form a majority in favor of legalizing gay marriage and Scalia, Thomas, and Alito will dissent.

Roberts is less predictable on gay marriage, though, than he was (in my opinion) on O-Care. The chances that he’d undercut the health-care law now after shocking the country by upholding it in 2012 seemed close to zero to me. As chief, he cares about the Court’s reputation as a non-political institution; if he’d switched and voted against ObamaCare today, lefties would have accused him of bowing to political pressure from righties after his infamous ruling on the mandate. Meanwhile, actually striking down the subsidies would have accomplished nothing in practice since the feckless congressional GOP inevitably would have surrendered to O and restored them. Faced with those options, of doubling down or of being perceived as a weasel to no practical policy effect, Roberts chose door number one. Today’s betrayal hurts on a visceral level because this Republican appointee whom we all swooned over in 2005 stabbed us in the back by siding with Obama again, but in terms of its consequences for policy the decision was almost irrelevant. Subsidies were getting restored no matter what. It was just a matter of which Republican-controlled branch would be handed the knife to do the back-stabbing.

So Roberts, having already heavily invested his reputation in ObamaCare in 2012, kicked in a little more today. Predictable. He’s not similarly invested in the Court’s gay-rights jurisprudence, which makes the forthcoming gay-marriage ruling less predictable. In fact, Roberts dissented — on mainly procedural grounds — in the landmark Windsor case two years ago that struck down part of DOMA and required the federal government to follow state laws on marriage. Scalia predicted at the time that the core holding of Windsor, which criticized DOMA for attempting “to impose inequality [on gay couples], not for other reasons like governmental efficiency,” would apply just as well to state marriage laws, making it all but inevitable that the Court would eventually strike down those laws too as violations in the Fourteenth Amendment. That logic is highly likely to influence tomorrow’s opinion — but John Roberts, given a chance to endorse it two years ago, declined and dissented. Then again, as SSM supporters have noted, he also declined to sign onto Scalia’s dissent, which attacked the logic of Kennedy’s majority opinion. Which way does he go this time?

Most righties, disgusted by his health-care ruling this morning, will say, “With the left, of course. That’s what traitors do.” I’m not so sure. The strongest argument for why he might vote with the liberals is to promote the idea of certainty. If, as is claimed, he cares about perceptions of the Court’s legitimacy, a 6-3 pro-SSM decision joined by two Republican appointees is harder for skeptics to dismiss as Kennedy’s folly. It’ll also be perceived by future justices as a bit more solid precedentially than a 5-4 ruling might be. On the other hand, realistically, even a 5-4 decision in favor of gay marriage stands very little chance of being overturned later. Republicans won’t want to take up this issue again down the road given the drift in public opinion towards gay rights, no matter what GOP presidential candidates might tell you. And even a strong conservative appointee to the bench would think twice about reversing a pro-SSM ruling for fear of the Court being perceived as fickle on a hot button that touches on people’s intimate personal lives. (How many thousands of legal marriages would be jeopardized if the Court reversed itself later?) Even if Roberts dissented in tomorrow’s decision, he’s young enough that he’d probably still be on the Court if the ruling was revisited 10 or 20 years from now. He could always change his vote to “yes” then. Long story short, unless he’s been persuaded on the constitutional merits of SSM, there’s little reason for him to vote with Kennedy and the liberals this time apart from the institutional argument that a 6-3 ruling always enjoys more respect.

Or is there? The NYT considered this question two months ago and offered another reason why Roberts might flip to “yes”:

[A] Supreme Court ruling authorizing the states to restrict marriage to heterosexual couples would lead to enormous confusion. The court’s decision not to take appeals of earlier cases, or put other appeals of lower court decisions on hold, has induced many couples to marry. Surely, same-sex couples who married when marriage was legal under prior court rulings would remain so. But if the plaintiffs do not prevail, all of the states that recognize the right of same-sex couples to marry in light of lower federal court rulings could revert to their earlier state of affairs…

The consequences of such a ruling would be dramatic — and quite unsettling. Administrative agencies would have to shift policies (again), create new forms (again), and educate their bureaucracies on a variety of matters — all of which could be undone by a new legislative act or state constitutional amendment. Given the sheer number of economic rights, presumptions and obligations that travel under the “marriage” heading, denying gay couples access to a uniform institution, with all the complications, headaches and (possibly) litigation it could bring, seems like the antithesis of restraint.

Time for predictions, then. I think it’s thisclose to a coin flip on how Roberts goes, but I’m going to guess that he sides with Kennedy and the liberals again to form a 6-3 majority. The institutional arguments will weigh on him. So might the rhetoric coming from GOPers like Mike Huckabee, who’s now vowing openly that he’ll resist a SCOTUS ruling that legalizes gay marriage as president. (What exactly that would mean, given that the decision would apply to state marriage laws, not the federal one, is unclear.) If Roberts is worried about rhetoric promoting a constitutional crisis gaining traction on the right, a 6-3 decision will help counter it. Plus, who knows? Maybe he and Kennedy made a bargain on health care and gay marriage to be each other’s political cover. Roberts was going to be the lightning rod for righty criticism by siding with the left on ObamaCare; Kennedy’s going to be the lightning rod by siding with them on SSM. By standing with each other on both decisions, they each get to hide a bit in a (small) crowd. I think it’ll be 6-3 — but I’m much less confident of that than I was about the King case.


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To: Kaslin

There was never really any chance that the Court would buck Obama this late in the game. It’s clear that the establishment Republicans have not only made their peace with Obamacare, they have adapted and turned it to their advantage in terms of power and finance, and would lose a degree of both if it were repealed.

However, I’ll make a cynical prediction here. I’ll predict that the Court will come out against a constitutional right to gay marriage, both as a way to dampen Conservative ire and as a distraction from the Obamacare decision. It’s all smoke and mirrors.

Let’s face it, the whole gay marriage issue is a circus. There are really not that many gays in the country, most of them are more interested in other things, but the fanatics that are interested make good theater.

If it works out the way I predict, this decision will vanish from the news and all eyes, cameras and commentary will focus on the hysterically outraged poofters — the Confederate flag thing — and whatever issue du jour can be ginned up for the third ring of the circus.

Meanwhile, financially and administratively, the globalist agenda will continue its quiet and implacable advance.


101 posted on 06/26/2015 2:42:23 AM PDT by Ronin (Blackface or bolt-ons, it's the same fraud. - Norm Lenhart)
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To: Impy

Great stuff!!!


102 posted on 06/26/2015 3:54:26 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (I'm with Steve McQueen: I live my life for myself and answer to nobody.)
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To: Kaslin

John Roberts will not “break with the right.” He did that with the first obamacare decision. He is firmly on the Left now and will not return to sanity.


103 posted on 06/26/2015 3:59:39 AM PDT by arthurus (It's true!)
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To: originalbuckeye

It is just an Executive Branch Tyranny. The Court defers to the Executive and does its bidding just as Congress has abdicated its power to the Executive. The Dictatorship is not something that may come if we don’t watch out. It’s here.


104 posted on 06/26/2015 4:02:29 AM PDT by arthurus (It's true!)
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To: Ann Archy

And GW Bush surely knew this,


105 posted on 06/26/2015 4:03:20 AM PDT by arthurus (It's true!)
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To: Kaslin
The first time SCOTUS refused cert on a Court of Appeals decision applying Windsor to strike down state Defense of Marriage laws, it became obvious either that there were five strong votes to affirm any Court of Appeals decision that went the other way, and the four other Justices didn't want to give them the excuse to do so, or that Roberts had changed sides and there weren't even four votes for cert (which is all that is required) to begin with.

Strangely enough, I wonder whether Scalia will actually side with the liberals here, perhaps in a concurring opinion, on stare decisis grounds. His dissents on the last gay marriage decision quite correctly identified that their logic required that the state DOMAs be struck down (as all but the Sixth Circuit have gone on to do) ...
106 posted on 06/26/2015 4:13:45 AM PDT by only1percent
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To: Ann Archy

So? He’s having lunch with friends, and that supposed to prove he’s Gay? You got to try a lot better.


107 posted on 06/26/2015 4:35:44 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: BunnySlippers

I don’t remember who to credit but the answer lies here. Start calling it Holy Matrimony. The queers qon’t want any part of it.


108 posted on 06/26/2015 5:00:02 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Kaslin

uh.....look at the picture FIRST, and THEN tell me what you think.


109 posted on 06/26/2015 5:21:01 AM PDT by Ann Archy (ABORTION....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Ann Archy

That is supposed to convince me that he is Gay? Sorry it’s not working. You need to come up with better proof and you don’t have it. So give it up. You’re wasting you time and mine.


110 posted on 06/26/2015 5:35:34 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

Marriage is an institution from God; not the states or Fed. govt. They should stay out of it.

And, if a state wants to allow homosexual marriages, then, homosexuals who want to marry can go to that state and get married/live there.

The government should NOT FORCE all states to enact this law.


111 posted on 06/26/2015 6:48:09 AM PDT by beachn4fun (Raina and Connor ~ the sequel ~ now available.)
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To: eyedigress

Then digressing will continue to be in your future. God speed!


112 posted on 06/26/2015 6:30:58 PM PDT by Postman (Flies landing on 0re0 know crap when they see it!)
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