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Congratulations! You Oppose The Confederate Flag. Now What?
The Federalist ^ | 06/23/2015 | Mollie Hemingway

Posted on 06/23/2015 11:13:30 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

The U.S. Civil War was a war that never should have been fought. Some 620,000 men died because slavery, an inhumane and evil practice, was permitted in many portions of this country. The South gets most of the blame for that, but the north benefited from the regime as well, even though it didn’t directly practice enslavement at the time of the war.

I used to think the war was a bit more complicated than I do now, having had my mind changed thanks to some relatively recent guided readings of President Abraham Lincoln. But long story short, the Confederacy was wrong. For whatever it’s worth, I have no nostalgia for the Confederacy and zero positive feelings for flags that reference the Confederacy, save the one painted on the General Lee or, perhaps, the one painted on RuPaul.

For some reason, 100% of media types (give or take) dealt with their feelings of anger and powerlessness in the aftermath of the racist murders of 9 black members of Emanuel AME Church in Charleston, South Carolina, by calling in unison for a removal of a Confederate flag from South Carolina’s capitol grounds. The flag was only put up during the centenary of the Civil War and a modified version was moved to a less conspicuous place about 15 years ago. Republican Gov. Nikki Haley called for its removal on Monday, as have many other politicians. Russell Moore of the Southern Baptist Convention called for its removal earlier. Sure, sounds good. Go for it. Even acknowledging that the relationship of the flag to the people of South Carolina is a bit more complicated than outsiders can understand, I think it’s fair to argue the negative outweighs any positive there.

A lot of the surrounding media-led outrage over the flag seems somewhat cold, given the horror of what last week brought. We had nine black people brutally murdered because they were black and sitting in a church with a history of fighting white supremacy. With all due deference to hatred for a Confederate flag on a pole at the statehouse, this seems like an almost childlike attempt to miss the seriousness of the situation. It’s as if they expect us to say, “Congratulations! You oppose the flag of an army that was defeated 150 years ago. We’re all very proud of you, journalists!” This generation seems to excel at inventing controversies, weighing in on those invented controversies, and then patting itself on the back for being so courageous and open-minded.

The far more frightening reality that such invented controversies avoid is that mankind is full of sin, and that some of us show that sinfulness in racism and murder. Or as Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn wrote in The Gulag Archipelago:

“If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?”

The murderer of the Emanuel nine has done something particularly bad, but he isn’t the only person capable of evil out there. And getting rid of a flag is hardly the remedy for the racism and violence that infects our culture. How juvenile to think otherwise.

Still, it’s routine now for the media to respond to tragic events with a call for more government control. It’s not just shown by responding to mass shootings with calls for gun control. Remember how, until all the facts got in the way, the media blamed a fatal Amtrak derailment on a lack of federal funding, of all things?

CNN actually went “heretic hunting” to call on businesses to ban any goods sold that in any way reference a Confederate symbol (which, of course, includes many state flags). Check out this piece headlined “First on CNN: Walmart to stop selling Confederate flag merchandise.” See, it’s first on CNN because CNN decided to trade journalism-ing for activism-ing:

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I mean, OK? Even this type of “Look! Squirrel!” avoidance of the actual tragedy of the Charleston terrorism was better than the naked political point scoring that was hard to distinguish from this fundraising email sent out by the Democratic Congressional Committee:

GET THAT MONEY, @dccc pic.twitter.com/1qm1IG6kfg

Andrew Stiles (@AndrewStilesUSA) June 22, 2015

Coverage has been oddly partisan — and in ways that counter reality — as the media rush to make this Confederate flag issue a problem for … Republicans. Funny how it always, always, always works out that way, isn’t it?

Dear @politico: Republicans were for taking down that flag a lot earlier than Democrats–150 years earlier. https://t.co/XNWivgLVF3

Robert Tracinski (@Tracinski) June 23, 2015

The bulk of this NPR story on the history of the South Carolina flag literally doesn’t mention Democratic contenders for president after cataloguing various responses of Republicans in the field. This even though Hillary Rodham Clinton was First Lady of Arkansas at the precise moment in time that Bill Clinton signed into law a flag that explicitly honored the Confederacy. As reported by the Daily Caller:

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Philip Bump of the Washington Post wrote a story defending Bill Clinton following the discovery of Confederacy-themed Clinton campaign buttons. He rightly noted that anyone could make such a button. But check out how he discusses — or fails to discuss — Bill Clinton signing into law the acceptance of the flag that Clinton specifically says commemorates the Confederacy:

Clinton, a Southern governor of a state whose flag still alludes to its history in the Confederacy, needed to solidify support from nearby states to have a chance at unseating George H.W. Bush.

Yes, Philip. It “still” alludes to its history because Bill Clinton signed a law ensuring it did.

Rename All The Things, Smash All The Statues

And now the media are hopping all over the place. Within a few hours they had moved on from their noble campaign of (largely meaningless but whatever) flag justice/posturing/attention in South Carolina to every state but Arkansas that is so tainted.

Georgia's current state flag is not their most Confederate ever, but it's the first Confederate flag + a state seal pic.twitter.com/3mw3mkEE1D

Kelsey D. Atherton (@AthertonKD) June 22, 2015

Key Mississippi Republican says the state's official flag must go? http://t.co/MedSgkJcVR pic.twitter.com/IuZq8PmEgF

CBS News (@CBSNews) June 23, 2015

And then within a few minutes, they had moved on to renaming literally everything.

In a completely serious piece for Commentary, historian Max Boot writes:

Not only should the Confederate flag come down, but I believe it’s also time for Southern states to change place names in honor of traitors such as Jefferson Davis.

I know, I know: it’s a slippery slope that could eventually result in taking slaveholders such as George Washington off our currency or even renaming our national capital.

He thought that people would forgive Washington for having done good things, too. He has more confidence than I do in the progressive left.

A bunch of New York Times reporters jumped on the bandwagon:

.@hunterw teaches me that there's a street named after Robert E. Lee in walking distance of my childhood home http://t.co/fg4OwyqmEe

Ross Barkan (@RossBarkan) June 23, 2015

One wonders whether they understand the difference between men such as Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee or if the only thing that matters about them is their affiliation with the Confederacy.

And Stars and Stripes is polling people on whether to rename military bases named after Confederates.

Even Texas is experiencing some of the frenzy. The Texas Tribune reports, “Momentum Builds to Remove UT Confederate Statue.”

I can’t help but notice that no one is calling to rename the Woodrow Wilson bridge right by my house, even though Wilson’s racism was personal, political, focused on eugenics and far more recent than any Civil War-era leader.

How we treat symbols we disagree with

Basically it’s just such a hysterical atmosphere at this point, that no one can conceive of a person who is against something but also willing to tolerate the expression of that thing. Can we be against Jeff Davis — and also against destroying art and monuments and history just because they involve Jeff Davis?

Symbols are tremendously important, and state sponsorship of symbols is very much worth fighting about. But there are ways to express disapproval of art, monuments and aspects of history without taking the approach of, say, blowing up the Buddhas, to take one recent example.

And how we manage these processes of disapproval truly is important for civil society. To quote Heinrich Heine, a man who definitely knew of what he spoke, “Where they have burned books, they will end in burning men.” Mobs aren’t actually the best judges of such processes, no matter how righteous they feel or certain of their cause.

Listen, it’s great that we’re aiming to be an anti-racist society. That’s very, very good! But it’s bad that we are slowly forgetting how to dislike something without seeking its utter destruction. Somehow we’ve abandoned the aesthetic of Abraham Lincoln for that of Mao Tse-Tung.

When I first moved to the D.C. area from Colorado, I had a bit of culture shock relative to the Confederate symbols on display here. I live not a mile from a cannon that marks where Confederate troops gathered to go off and fight. But rather than call for its removal, I’ve used it to learn history and teach my children about their commonwealth’s history. And I’ve used other monuments, cemeteries and buildings to teach my children about their history, including both the good and bad points.

I wouldn’t put Confederate kitsch up in my house, but mainstream media figure Claire Shipman and former Obama press secretary Jay Carney put up Communist kitsch in their house. There is something intriguing about how the elite left tolerates art celebrating those who killed 100 million people in the last century, but seeks the erasure of anything associated with the Confederacy.

As always, Popehat has the perfect compromise solution:

Totally cool with banning the Confederate flag as long as we can put t-shirted Che douchesters into concentration camps.

Popehat (@Popehat) June 20, 2015

Anthony Esolen writes about how we must be careful to teach children debates and not just propaganda, lest we harm them. In Ten Ways To Destroy The Imagination Of Your Child, he writes:

Southern partisans still rankle over Lincoln’s centralization of power and his assertion that the states are strictly subordinate to the federal government and have no real sovereignty of their own. Their position is one worthy of consideration; but do not consider it. We do not want students to support or oppose Lincoln’s policies based on some well-thought philosophy of government. We want them to snicker.

So, for instance, we assume that Lincoln was right to go to war against the South, because the southerners who prosecuted the war were all nasty slave owners. It isn’t true, but it absolves us of the need to take the southern position seriously. Then we say that Lincoln himself thought that blacks were an inferior race. We neglect to mention that just about everybody thought so, too, including the abolitionists; it was the foolish “scientific” consensus of the day. Then we say that Lincoln mismanaged the war, and that his generals were bloodthirsty brutes….If possible, we toss in a modern rumor that Lincoln was a homosexual. There’s no evidence for it, but the tactic works in a couple of ways at once. It diverts attention from the man’s heroism, and it reduces him to a counter in a modern political game. It also–though it is politically incorrect for the teacher or textbook writer to admit it–makes him appear a bit contemptuous.

In an earlier chapter, he writes:

If you feed children enough of what is politically motivated, regardless of the direction of the motive, you will insinuate into their minds that all the humanistic subjects they study, and some of the scientific ones too, are power games and nothing more.

One might be forgiven for thinking that is the goal of modern outrage politics — to turn everything into power games and nothing more.

I agree with New York Times reporter Lydia Polgreen:

A risk in all the flag unanimity: everyone will think this whole race problem in America has been solved and we can move on.

Lydia Polgreen (@lpolgreen) June 23, 2015

This is in fact what outrage culture does. We’re addicted to judgment porn, and this is just the latest example. And just like traditional porn, outrage porn serves only for momentary release. Confederate flag burning doesn’t actually do anything to stop racism. It’s a complete sideshow. And once we’ve blown up every confederate statue and smashed every tombstone with Confederate marks and erased all evidence of the Confederacy from our roads, we’ll still have the scourge of racism and every other sin with us.



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To: SeekAndFind

I am for banning all FAGS! They all offend me. They.....uh....what? Flags? Never mind.


21 posted on 06/23/2015 11:34:28 AM PDT by LeonardFMason (LanceyHoward would AGREE)
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To: Red Badger
Once it’s ‘gone’ then what will they blame?.........................

Whatever is the most convenient opponent they wish to remove.

I have no dog in the hunt: two ancestors fought for the north in the war, one from AR and one from PA; another ancestor was a slave owner in SC before the war, and I'm glad he lost.

But the issue is never the issue; the issue is always the revolution.

We see the process yet again. An event occurs for which the overwhelming majority of people have no responsibility. I had nothing to do with Dylann Roof becoming who he became, I had nothing against AME churches in Charleston (we disagree on political issues, but not on theological ones), I have never flown a Stars and Bars, I have never supported slavery, and I'm glad the middle of North America is one nation under God rather than two or three or ten, like practically everywhere else in the world.

But the minute the massacre occurred and became news, the main goal of all the MSM and all the Democrats was to impute guilt upon every non-black American for the actions of Dylann Roof. This time, that failed in general, for three reasons: 1) we've been through this before (Sandy Hook, Aurora, Fort Hood) and it wasn't our fault then either, 2) Dylann was an evident nutcase on tons of medication he didn't need, and 3) those closest to the victims called for Christian forgiveness and healing rather than socialist revenge and revolution.

So within 48 hours, feeling the necessity of getting something out of the crisis, the MSM and Dems pivoted to plan B. OK, they half-admitted, Dylann Roof really wasn't your fault, but [squirrel!] look at that flag he's holding, you really don't want to be guilt-by-association-ed with THAT, do you? Well, do you? (whisper "you're a racist if you do") WELL, DO YOU?

At which point the politicians, who know there isn't any re-election support in standing on the principle of freedom of expression, and the corporations, who know there isn't any marketing support in standing on the principle of freedom of expression, both cave. So Wal-Mart gets a day of free publicity, and Nikki Haley gets a day of free publicity, and everyone else, well, you REALLY don't want to be associated with Dylann Roof and racist murderers, DO YOU?, and that's the end of the Stars and Bars.

Remember, I have no dog in this hunt. But to misquote Niemuller, first they came for the Confederates...

22 posted on 06/23/2015 11:35:19 AM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: SeekAndFind
As I have said on other threads, this whole flag issue is being pushed by the Democrats to split the south. The south is solid Republican. If they can divide the south, Hillary has a chance to win.

Doesn't anyone think it's strange that a week ago, the confederate flag was a non-issue. Now (suddenly) several States moving to ban it - Virginia, South Carolina, Georgia and Mississippi. eBay wants to block sales, etc.

It's all happening too quickly for it to be a grassroots groundswell. It has been planned...just waiting for the right time to unleash it.

23 posted on 06/23/2015 11:35:35 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Isn't it funny that Socialists never want to share their own money?)
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To: blueunicorn6

Well the Seal of the State of Indiana is a guy chopping down a tree. Probably a white guy, raping the environment, displacing the native Americans who relied upon the forests. Bringing about climate change by deforestation.

That Seal needs to go. We need to replace it with a gay wedding under a rainbow.


24 posted on 06/23/2015 11:37:51 AM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: INVAR
-- Does it not bother you that the majority of all those knee-jerk idiots out there are government rulers or part of the Praetorian media? --

I have a mixed reaction. Yes, it does bother me, but those pinheads have bothered me for my entire adult life. This is nothing new, they seem to have an affinity for playing the part of trained seal.

-- Laughing at them and saying 'oh well' to ourselves is what the Germans and Italians did in the late 20's and 30s to knee-jerk idiots that ruled their societies. --

Probably true. I don't think we are any better, and in many ways, I think we are worse.

25 posted on 06/23/2015 11:40:07 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Red Badger
Once it’s ‘gone’ then what will they blame?.........................

Now might be a good time to ask them (ubiquitous) what else they'd like. Just so we know.

26 posted on 06/23/2015 11:40:14 AM PDT by umgud (When under attack, victims want 2 things; God & a gun)
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To: SeekAndFind

This piece is absolutely brilliant. So brilliant it has absolutely 0.00000% chance of influencing anyone in the Main Stream Media.


27 posted on 06/23/2015 11:41:21 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: chajin

This will not mean the ‘end of the Stars and Bars’
In all likelihood, it will be a huge business opportunity for some people.
You may see them more now than ever......................


28 posted on 06/23/2015 11:45:09 AM PDT by Red Badger (Man builds a ship in a bottle. God builds a universe in the palm of His hand.............)
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To: chajin

Confederate flag sales are skyrocketing:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3303318/posts


29 posted on 06/23/2015 11:49:33 AM PDT by Red Badger (Man builds a ship in a bottle. God builds a universe in the palm of His hand.............)
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To: SeekAndFind

Make no mistake about it, now they remove the Confederate flag, the ultimate goal is removal of the flag of the USA. These anarchists hate what are flag stands for and they will do after everything to destroy our heritage. It’s been done in South Africa, Rhodesia and we’re next.


30 posted on 06/23/2015 11:50:25 AM PDT by kenmcg
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To: SeekAndFind

We are so screwed.


31 posted on 06/23/2015 11:52:23 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The new GOP slogan: "Vote for us!!! We are exactly the same as the Democrats !!!")
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To: SeekAndFind
Here's one Black man's take on this mess. Warning: there's some language, name-calling (if you're offended by that) and while he doesn't get into the history of the flag, he comes at it from a different angle:

In defense of the Confederate flag by David Carroll

32 posted on 06/23/2015 12:01:51 PM PDT by Sister_T (Atttaaaacckkkk Waaaatcchhhh! https://youtu.be/-XYKRokgX00)
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To: SeekAndFind

“but the north benefited from the regime as well, even though it didn’t directly practice enslavement at the time of the war.” - article

Patently false! Slavery was practiced legally in the Northern states before, during, and *after* the end of the civil war. (Lincoln’s EP applied to only states in rebellion exclusive of certain parishes in Louisiana.)


33 posted on 06/23/2015 12:04:26 PM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: SeekAndFind

Ban the racist Declaration of Independence!

From that document:

“He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/declaration_transcript.html


34 posted on 06/23/2015 12:18:13 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (7 more shopping days 'til, Graybeard 58's b/day! The BIG seven ohhhh.)
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To: SeekAndFind

This is no different than the Taliban destroying the colossus statues because they didn’t fit within their current world view.


35 posted on 06/23/2015 12:37:19 PM PDT by bk1000 (A clear conscience is a sure sign of a poor memory)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Five Northern states permitted slavery too, but they didn't have to fight a war.

They did fight a war you dolt.

36 posted on 06/23/2015 12:37:32 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: rockrr
They did fight a war you dolt.

With the people abolishing slavery? No they didn't, and the fact that they fought for the Union just shows that they didn't think they were fighting to abolishing slavery when they started on that adventure.

Yeah, i'm the dolt.

37 posted on 06/23/2015 12:47:18 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: chajin
Remember, I have no dog in this hunt. But to misquote Niemuller, first they came for the Confederates...

This is exactly the point that some people on this site are too dumb to grasp.

Before Hitler's pogroms against the Jews, first there was a whispering campaign against them.

This is how Nazism began in Germany.

38 posted on 06/23/2015 12:51:25 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: DiogenesLamp
Yeah, i'm the dolt.

Finally we agree on something. ;')

39 posted on 06/23/2015 1:05:37 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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40 posted on 06/23/2015 1:13:04 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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