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Why Donald Trump should not be taken seriously or included in the debates
Club for Growth ^ | 06/16/2015 | Doug Sachtleben

Posted on 06/16/2015 5:22:09 PM PDT by GIdget2004

Donald Trump, in his own words…

Trump on Health Care “We must have universal healthcare,” Trump wrote in his book, “I’m a conservative on most issues but a liberal on this one.” In an interview earlier this year he continued to applaud single payer health care systems used in other countries.

Trump on Taxes “I would impose a one-time, 14.25% tax on individuals and trusts with a net worth over $10 million,” Trump said. “For individuals, net worth would be calculated minus the value of their principal residence. That would raise $5.7 trillion in new revenue, which we would use to pay off the entire national debt.”

Trump on Trade Trump has called for “a 20% tax for importing goods,” and a “Twenty-five percent tax on China, unless they behave.”

Trump on Eminent Domain When asked about the 2005 case Kelo v. City of New London, that allowed economic development to be a legitimate reason for government to exercise eminent domain, Trump told Fox News (7/19/05), “I happen to agree with it 100 percent.” Trump was unsuccessful in his own attempt to have officials in New Jersey use eminent domain to condemn a home on property he wanted to buy for part of his hotel and casino.

(Excerpt) Read more at clubforgrowth.org ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2016election; clubfortherich; donaldchump; donaldhump; donaldtrump; election2016; trump
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To: GIdget2004
A lot of folks voted for Obama strictly because of his race. He was identified as being of the African race. And this was actually heralded as a good qualifier.

So, I guess it's ok to support The Donald because is daughter is pretty? Really, with the exception of a small minority, most folks don't do any research of where a particular candidate stands. I give you Obama, twice.


221 posted on 06/17/2015 7:09:03 AM PDT by CodeJockey
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To: Husker8877

Sorry, your BS was rejected. Try harder or give up.


222 posted on 06/17/2015 7:11:42 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: central_va

I wish you’d stop comparing the USA to the third world it really reveals what you really think of the USA. Sad and pathetic.
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I’m not specifically comparing the USA to any other countries. And FU for the insinuation that I don’t love the USA, or whatever it is you meant by that weird and intentionally offensive remark.

I’m comparing the relatively rich countries (which does indeed include the US) to the relatively poor countries. Why? Because all the rich countries have a number of things in common, and all the poor countries have a number of things in common.

But you’re hung up on the simplistic trade-is-bad, and don’t want to go beyond that. And that’s totally OK. I come at it from several different angles. And that’s OK too.

I have to say, to question someone’s love of country, particularly on a site like FR, is a total dick move. Despicable.


223 posted on 06/17/2015 7:14:39 AM PDT by kevao (Biblical Jesus: Give your money to the poor. Socialist Jesus: Give your neighbor's money to the poor)
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To: kevao
I have to say, to question someone’s love of country, particularly on a site like FR, is a total dick move. Despicable.

Free Traitors hate their patriotism questioned. I don't get that when every trade deal weakens the USA and its currency and more people are unemployed or under employed.

224 posted on 06/17/2015 7:19:13 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
Are you mentally handicapped?

No.

Are you saying the USA could not be self sufficient?

No, the USA could probably be self-sufficient. We could get by fine, but we would not be nearly as prosperous as we are now with trade.

Are you stupid.

You obviously don't come here to make FRiends, do you? And, no, I am not stupid.

In our case Free Trade is a choice, the USA is not Lichtenstein.

Yes, and I *want* that choice! I don't want some dictator imposing tariffs on foreign goods I want to buy, just to protect his rich corporate donors from competition. If I want to buy a car from a Japanese firm, or oranges from Brazil, or sugar from the Dominican Republic, that should be between me and the foreign seller. Period.

You mentioned kleptocracy in a previous post. Well, what do you call it when a Florida orange grower buys off some DC pols and gets a tariff slapped on Brazilian oranges, so that he can extract a higher price from me than I would pay if I could trade freely? From my point of view, that's theft.

225 posted on 06/17/2015 7:31:07 AM PDT by kevao (Biblical Jesus: Give your money to the poor. Socialist Jesus: Give your neighbor's money to the poor)
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To: kevao

Is it fair I have to pay income taxes when there are far better and more Constitutional ways to fund the US government?


226 posted on 06/17/2015 7:34:26 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Just saying people can change. I claim nothing with the Donald though, but would take him over Bush.


227 posted on 06/17/2015 7:35:42 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: South40

Nice reply and I agree with many of your points. When I find time today I’ll reply in kind.


228 posted on 06/17/2015 8:48:08 AM PDT by Jarhead9297
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Doesn’t matter a hill of beans. He’s in there to separate the party. He plays both sides just like Perot did.


229 posted on 06/17/2015 12:04:50 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: bkepley
yeah....yeah ...yeah...you idiot...

One of the longstanding rules of the forum is "no personal attacks". If you disagree with his comments tell him why, don't insult him.

230 posted on 06/17/2015 12:13:10 PM PDT by Jack Black ( Disarmament of a targeted group is one of the surest early warning signs of future genocide.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I note that the pundits seem to have a list of Republicans who "don't deserve" to be in the debates. I get the feeling that the plan is for Jeb to be on stage alone, kind of mumbling to himself in Spanish while the media pretends to swoon and say Hillary is surely in trouble now.

This is funny! Well said!

231 posted on 06/17/2015 12:16:07 PM PDT by Jack Black ( Disarmament of a targeted group is one of the surest early warning signs of future genocide.)
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To: Ken522
How many times has he declared bankruptcy?

Bankruptcy is a part of business law. I don't believe he's ever declared personal bankruptcy, but some of this businesses have failed, and some have gone bankrupt and survived. A high percentage of businesses fail.

Forbes: Five reasons 8-out-of-10 businesses fail

232 posted on 06/17/2015 12:19:54 PM PDT by Jack Black ( Disarmament of a targeted group is one of the surest early warning signs of future genocide.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Then his minions were to attack Cruz relentlessly and only Cruz over this made up issue (even though nearly all the other candidates also support it) while simultaneously posting glowing articles about how strong Trump is on this issue of massive importance (all just made up on the fly of course)

This need only work long enough to allow Trump to get just enough traction to push ahead of Cruz in the polls and hopefully help to push him off the stage completely (which was the goal all along)

Some of the Cruz supporters are almost obsessive in their belief that the sun rises and sets around Ted. Do you REALLY believe that Trump has "minions" here or on other forums out to trash Ted Cruz?

Why would he bother?

Ted's in about 5th place in most national polls. He's the least likely person for Trump to attack.

Did you listen to the announcement? He takes on Rubio by name several times. I'm pretty sure he views Rubio as the front runner, as do many pundits.

Ted is going to make the debates, he's solidly getting about 8% to 10%, far above the whole third tier, which is where Trump is today.

The competition for Trump making the debates are Christie, Perry and Santorum, and maybe Fiorina. That's the group of candidates in the 1.5% to 3.5% range. Of that group only two will likely get to the debates. Right now Trump's in 9th place, so if he can hold that position he's in the first debate.

But still back-of-the-field strategy is attack the leader, not the other back-field candidates, and that is what Trump is doing.

There has always been both Free Trade and anti Free Trade contingents here on Free Republic. This goes all the way back to the Buchanan supporters back in the Clinton era. The opposition to Cruz's TPA/TPP position is completely organic, and many of it has come from long established Freepers.

It's disingenuous to claim all the opposition to Cruz's positions is drummed up by Trump, and delusional to think the Trump is focused on Cruz over Jeb, Rubio and Walker, who are the first tier candidates.

It's turning into an interesting election season.

233 posted on 06/17/2015 12:48:51 PM PDT by Jack Black ( Disarmament of a targeted group is one of the surest early warning signs of future genocide.)
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To: Norm Lenhart
If any of you expended the effort you do trying to get a conservative elected as you do promoting the next great fraud on FR, we would have a gonservative president today.

One person's conservative is another person's fraud, my FRiend. That's the nature of politics.

Please tell me about these past and present candidates:

These are a list of Candidates who have had wide support on FR, and also been vilified.

It might seem crystal clear to you who belongs in which category, but it's probably quite different in other peoples view.

234 posted on 06/17/2015 12:55:30 PM PDT by Jack Black ( Disarmament of a targeted group is one of the surest early warning signs of future genocide.)
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To: South40
They're scared shitless that Hillary will win, but they're scared also that the Republican Party doesn't have its shit together enough to defeat her. And they couldn't be more right on that point. The party is a laughing stock in its current state. And as much as many here, yourself included, may be oblivious to the fact, Donald Trump's announcement just made things worse.

I respectfully disagree. I get what you are saying, but there is another way to look at it, which is how more people are.

Everyone is tired of the pre-packaged, don't say anything real, avoid controversy, candidate by acclimation process that brought us candidates like McCain, Romney, Dole, Bush (W.), Hillary, Kerry and Gore.

The younger the voters the more these types seem ridiculous. The entire five year run of the Cobert Report was a long Gen-X sendup of both the candidates and the reporters who cover them.

The GOP is looking vibrant. We have real debates, real personalities, real differences and we have choices. Eventually we will get to the voting and a lot of people will quickly fall away. A 1% finish is a 1% finish.

The party that looks pre-packaged, phony, unwilling to do anything but us professional liars and PR agents to "message" is the Jackass Party.

When you are trying to prop up Bernie Sanders as a helpful candidate to get some faux-debate going and look genuine, you are in a very very bad position.

I think our wealth of candidates is a strength, and will pay off down the road in many ways.

235 posted on 06/17/2015 1:05:01 PM PDT by Jack Black ( Disarmament of a targeted group is one of the surest early warning signs of future genocide.)
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To: Jack Black

Not my fault other people can’t spend 5 min taking off the rode colored and reading the guys greatest hits.


236 posted on 06/17/2015 1:06:22 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Jack Black

Yep...had a few beers last night. I don’t usually do that.


237 posted on 06/17/2015 1:14:52 PM PDT by bkepley
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To: Jack Black
Thank you for your well thought out and respectful response. Far too many it seems are ready to attack other FReepers simply because they do not endorse their particular candidate. And that is unfortunate.

You quoted me but you omitted the part wherein I said, "Try attending a PAC meeting in your town and see how unwilling people are to give their hard-earned cash to the party." I was speaking from experience. I won't name the organization but I do attend regular meetings and I speak with its members on a regular basis. They don't like Trump, they believe he is making a joke of the party and they don't want him in the race. That's not because they support the status quo or Jeb Bush, or some of the crazier things others here have said. It's because they, like me, see Trump as a clown who is not to be taken seriously. You are free to disagree as is anyone here.

238 posted on 06/17/2015 1:25:21 PM PDT by South40 (Hillary Clinton was a "great secretary of state". - Texas Governor Rick Perry)
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To: VMI70; ozarkgirl; FreeReign
"Food for thought:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoot%E2%80%93Hawley_Tariff_Act
"

And here's the truth of the matter behind the anti-American, commie/fascist revisionism of the past few years.

Look at 1934. That can't be right!

Republican President Hoover signed the Smoot-Hawley Bill in June of 1930, BTW.

Compensation from before World War I through the Great Depression

by Robert VanGiezen and Albert E. Schwenk
Bureau of Labor Statistics

John T. Dunlop and Walter Galenson, eds., Labor in the Twentieth Century (New York, Academic Press, 1978), p. 30.

Dunlop and Galenson, p. 27.

Year Unemployment rate

1923-29

3.3

1930

8.9

1931

15.9

1932

23.6

1933

24.9

1934

21.7

1935

20.1

1936

17.0

1937

14.3

1938

19.0

1939

17.2

1940

14.6

1941

9.9

1942

4.7





Gross Domestic Product (ref. 1929 dollars in millions)

Year    GDP

1929   101,444
1930    91,513
1931    84,300
1932    70,682
1933    68,337
1934    74,609
1935    85,806
1936    95,798
1937   103,917
1938    96,670
1939   103,736
1940   112,961
1941   126,237

Source: National Bureau of Economic Research, NBER Series 08166.



239 posted on 06/17/2015 3:50:04 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: VMI70; ozarkgirl; FreeReign

Who would expect production on American soil to increase the minute that the Republican Smoot-Hawley Bill passed? No one.


240 posted on 06/17/2015 3:53:36 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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