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Biker arrested in Waco Twin Peaks shooting speaks
KXAN-TV Austin ^ | June 12, 2015

Posted on 06/12/2015 8:03:21 AM PDT by don-o

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To: Lazamataz

Microinvalidation


161 posted on 06/13/2015 6:27:45 PM PDT by easternsky
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy
Run-of-the-mill trolls are the most boring of all.

And that is what TexasGator is.

162 posted on 06/13/2015 6:31:27 PM PDT by Lazamataz (The new GOP slogan: "Vote for us!!! We're 15% less evil than the Democrats!!!")
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy
I remember a fun troll, though. His name was Robert Paulsen.

He was here in the early days of FR. He would take the most outrageous positions, strictly for the fight. What made him GOOD, was that he actually put up pretty cogent arguments. One of my favorites of his was that all fleeing felons in cars should be shot at with .50 caliber machine guns. That thread was a hoot.

I figured him out by his name. One of the characters in Fight Club was named Robert Paulsen. I suddenly, in a flash, put it all together. I freepmailed him, and he responded "SHHHH! You'll kill my fun. :) "

163 posted on 06/13/2015 6:34:35 PM PDT by Lazamataz (The new GOP slogan: "Vote for us!!! We're 15% less evil than the Democrats!!!")
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To: X-spurt
On the other hand, I have tried diligently to not overstate anything on a serious thread. I am confident most will agree that on any of the recent mass of bike gang threads, not a thing I have posted has been a false claim or overstatement. Bike gangs generally are criminal by their nature. Bike gangs operate on intimidation, particularly of law abiding citizens. They do not have an upside.

Just in the interest of rational discussion, would you please define what comprises a "Bike gang" in your rhetoric, as opposed to any non-"gang" people who ride motorcylces in organized groups?

Thank you.

164 posted on 06/13/2015 7:12:15 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy
I should know better than to stick my hand into this dogfight, but I have been reading it going on for three weeks. Here's my thought: somebody should take the statement,

"So, basically, if you support the constitution, you have to support the rights of drug-dealing criminal gangs to receive due process of law.. And if you don't support the rights of drug-dealing criminal gangs to receive due process of law., then you don't support the constitution."

Substitute "drug-dealing criminal gangs" (in both instances) with, "sub humans", and then ask T.Gator if he/she agrees with it. I think a lot of posters could save face this way and we all might benefit by getting over this particular bump in the Wacko story.

165 posted on 06/13/2015 8:19:40 PM PDT by HandyDandy (Don't make-up stuff. It just wastes everybody's time.)
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To: HandyDandy; don-o; TexasGator; Half Vast Conspiracy; Lazamataz
See post #165
166 posted on 06/13/2015 8:28:06 PM PDT by HandyDandy (Don't make-up stuff. It just wastes everybody's time.)
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To: TexasGator

The article that you linked to says nothing about releasing a video.


167 posted on 06/13/2015 8:41:12 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (I was conceived in liberty, how about you?)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Bike gangs are any group that is similar to or emulates Hell’s Angels, Bandidos, Cossacks, etc. such as most of those at the Twin Peaks when the shooting started.

Ordinary law abiding citizens who ride as well as “Law Abiding” Veteran or Christian type groups are not gangs.

I do think that generally we all are able to recognize a motorcycle gang and gang members, by their actions, appearance and demeanor. Whether someone (such as a FR poster) wishes to admit that fact is another question.

Did that answer the question?


168 posted on 06/13/2015 9:33:29 PM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: Repeal The 17th

So much for police hiding ...

“Right when we pulled in, we saw officers sitting in patrol cars”

http://www.wacotrib.com/news/twin-peaks-biker-shooting/updated-xwaco-police-chief-says-officers-fired-rounds-during-twin/article_fd337d6e-a7af-5e2b-84b9-fb5480b6efa0.html


169 posted on 06/13/2015 9:37:58 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Travis McGee

We certainly can agree that during what’s known as the Indian Wars, the US Calvary did some very brutal and inhuman things to Native Americans. Part of that was a carry over from the Civil War with jerks like Custer given free-rein and part in retribution for smaller scale atrocities conducted by some native American tribes against USA settlers. Wounded Knee being one of the worst.

Wounded Knee and Waco Twin Peaks are vastly different situations. The Waco police immediately turned the post Twin Peaks investigation over to the Texas Rangers. The Rangers are as ethical and as Constitutionally abiding LEO group as exists, period. The Rangers would have spoken up had the report given by Waco police not been extremely close to factual.

There was no police massacre at Twin Peaks. Had the cops not taken whatever measures they did, there would very likely have been a massacre with many more shot and killed bike gang members by rival bike gang members that day.

Considering you did not address my points in post 90, I repeat:
What’s up with the constant bringing up My Lai? There seems to be some fixation with that atrocious incident.

Its not really called for nor assisting getting a legitimate point across. A bit of bullying? (Which does seem to be a much too common thread running through many of these Waco bike gang shootout threads)

I have a question you may be able to answer regarding the continuous drone of “their Constitutional Rights were violated”, exactly which of those rights did the Waco cops violate? Were the bike gangers not given due process?

From a non bike gang supporter, it seems that taking the totality of the shooting in a public place with innocent bystanders, the great number dead and wounded, combined with a record of bike gang threats to Waco police, combined with criminal records of many charged and combined with what number of persons at the scene who were armed who did not have CHL, the high bonds were necessary to protect the public and the bike gangs from one another.

If you want to rely on the fall-back position of making personal attacks, such as slinging My Lai at anyone who dares disagree, then your argument defending bike gangs will continue to lose ground as well as damage the Free Republic forum itself.


170 posted on 06/13/2015 10:02:46 PM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: don-o

There was no lashing out in 122 or any other of my posts. Facts and logical conclusions.

Do you just chose to not read replies to your posts or is there some difficulty in comprehension? Most likely you simply can not rationally retort to the points in post 122.


171 posted on 06/13/2015 10:15:32 PM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: X-spurt

No, but thanks for playing.


172 posted on 06/14/2015 12:34:04 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: X-spurt

Missing the point seems to be your SOP.

I am weary of your nonsense.


173 posted on 06/14/2015 3:34:37 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: HandyDandy

Define sub-human. And please cite the relevant part of the Constitution as to their status.


174 posted on 06/14/2015 3:38:31 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: X-spurt

Boo freaking hoo. Sorry, I didn’t bring a hanky.
Like I said, I have zero tolerance for those who tolerate police massacres, or excuse them, or rationalize them.


175 posted on 06/14/2015 4:50:33 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: don-o; Smokin' Joe; Travis McGee

Biker gang kiss-ups and fact deniers throwing in the towel?
I have pointed out facts of this case and of bike gang behavior, each of you was asked to respond to specific points or aligations, every one of you big tough guys are instead trying, unsuccessfully I might add, to scare away us that dare show you the truth. Its plain for all to see why you sympathize with bike gang criminals.

Your weak come-backs sounds amazingly like the Iranian nuke negotiator’s ploy of “don’t try to confuse us with facts, its OUR WAY or the highway”.

As every single one of these Waco bike gang shoot ‘em up threads has shown, criminal bike gang defense is a losing argument. Thank you for continuing to reinforce everyone’s recognition of that clearly obvious conclusion.


176 posted on 06/14/2015 7:57:41 AM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: X-spurt

“Your weak come-backs”

Some of these dudes have spent 15 years here honing these skills.


177 posted on 06/14/2015 9:13:59 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: X-spurt

Distance????? It was another Bandidos CoC meeting! Bikers are either really dumb or part of the gang to keep attending Bandidos meetings.

“Bikers gather in Harris Co. to distance themselves from Waco”

http://www.khou.com/story/news/local/2015/06/13/bikers-gather-in-harris-co-to-distance-themselves-from-waco/71196598/


178 posted on 06/14/2015 9:18:49 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: X-spurt; Travis McGee
What’s up with the constant bringing up My Lai? There seems to be some fixation with that atrocious incident.

Intellectual laziness would be my best guess x-spurt. Even out of context...it's just easier to throw up some 'propaganda' art' than it would be to engage in a serious discussion.

The fact that he's borrowing tropes from the old anti-war left is...ironic.

179 posted on 06/14/2015 9:23:12 AM PDT by mac_truck (Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck

“Intellectual laziness would be my best guess x-spurt. “

When you are out defending gangstas, you really don’t have any other ammo.


180 posted on 06/14/2015 9:45:10 AM PDT by TexasGator
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