The Gay Community's Contribution To Bringing Down The Duggars

Multiple | June 8, 2015

[Pinkbell]

In a minute, I will get to the two gay persons involved in exposing this and the porn history behind the magazine In Touch.

First, I of course want to say that Josh Duggar’s actions were inexcusable, lest anyone accuse me of supporting what he did. I realize the media would have had no “dirt” on them had this not happened. That said, I listened to the interview with his parents, and I listened to the interview with the victims. I do believe the parents tried to do the right thing. They ultimately did get him help and contact the authorities. Say what you will about the help that they got Josh, but it seemed to work. There has been no indication from even the media that he has ever done something since he was 15. If he has, then I take that back, but there is no proof that he has.

The thing that I am getting at is that this is bigger in the liberal media than I believe it would have been had this happened to a liberal family. When the news of this molestation scandal came out, the first thing that I thought is, "They finally got them." There are a couple different websites, one in particular, who have disliked the Duggars for years due to their conservative, Christian beliefs. The one thing the Duggars did which essentially "doomed" them was to speak out against the gay agenda. It's not that the Duggars have ever said they hate gay people. Michelle's sister happens to be a lesbian, and they still love her. The Duggars simply believe marriage is between one man and one woman and children need to have a mother and father. Michelle Duggar made a robocall against a transgender bill out of concern that a man could claim to "feel" he is a woman to be able to use the womens' room to prey on a woman or young girls. She never said that ALL or even a majority of transgender people are child molestors like the media is playing it off as.

That brings me to my point, one of the sites is a site where the majority of posters do not like the Duggars or "fundies" or conservatives in general. Anyway, this person was linked as the person who tipped off In Touch or at least helped. She and her partner are lesbians who gave the dirt to In Touch [no idea how she knew], but she has a history of not liking the Duggars. Michelle Duggar making a robocall arguing against transgenders in the bathrooms really set her and her partner off. They organized a gay "kiss in" in front of the Duggars home. She is very proud of herself, and here is a link to her claiming credit for the In Touch story:

http://imgur.com/QjT4Pwy

Second of all, the writer who broke the story for In Touch is a gay man who also broke the story of John Edwards with Rielle Hunter. I mention the latter because it does show he is willing to throw the other side under the bus for a good story, but I think he relished throwing the Duggars under the bus. He did an interview with The Advocate:

19 Questions With the Gay Journalist Who Brought Down the Duggars

Here are a few key questions I excerpted to illustrate my point:

The Advocate: Hi Rick. Congrats on the piece. How did you come to break this story?

Rick Egusquiza: Thank you. The rumors of Joshua Duggar being sexually inappropriate as a teenager were circulating for years, but no one could prove it until In Touch Weekly really started digging into it. My bosses received a tip and then sent me and a team to Springdale, Ark., to start digging around. One tipster led me to another, and then another. I have to say it was good old-fashioned reporting on the ground and a lot of door-knocking. Also a lot of leg work from our team of excellent reporters and editors. I'd love to take full credit, but it wasn't a one-man job.

Were you aware the family had a history of homophobia and transphobia?

I assumed they weren't fans of our community because they were such Bible-thumping conservative Christians, and I knew Josh Duggar worked for the Family Research Council. I learned a lot more about them when I was doing research for this story. I was disgusted by Michelle's robocall to the citizens of Fayetteville, Ark., regrading trans women and restrooms and comparing them to child molesters when she knew about her son’s actions.

Why do you think the Duggars are so popular?

Unfortunately, a lot of people in this country still have the same beliefs [as the Duggars] so they put the Duggars on a pedestal. On the other hand, I think a lot of the country and the world are very happy that their hypocrisy has been uncovered. Now, they’re more popular than ever though.

What's been your favorite response to the story?

When people thank me for doing God's work. Of course, now that the story is out, everyone I meet tells me the same thing, which is, "I knew it! I just knew something weird was going on in that family." Of course, "weird" is a major understatement; it was a crime.

Can't you dig up something good on that racist, antigay Duck Dynasty clan?

I’ll get on that, but I don’t think we’re done with the Duggars yet.

http://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/television/2015/06/04/19-questions-gay-journalist-who-brought-down-duggars

Here is some info regarding In Touch and its connection to porn as well:

The Wrap reported in 2013:

But an investigation by TheWrap has found that there is a darker side to the privately held company, including publication of at least one magazine appealing to neo-Nazis, as well as significant involvement in the distribution of pornography — including Nazi-themed porn movies.

These lend perspective to Bauer’s legal woes in the United States, including a $50 million defamation lawsuit by Tom Cruise, filed last October after two U.S.-based publications alleged he’d abandoned his daughter Suri. In fact, Bauer generates dozens of legal complaints worldwide each year about invasion of privacy or libel, according to a lawyer who has frequently opposed them.

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2015/06/06/meet-the-terrible-porn-publisher-behind-the-outing-of-the-duggar-abuse-story/

The two sites mentioned have a lot of posters who have wanted the Duggars off the air for a long time, and the bottom line is because they are “fundies” or very conservative Christians. They were looking for something, anything to get them, and they got it. I saw one post from a poster who said they were disappointed this had to be this type of scandal because it involved molestation, but they wanted something, and others agreed. Another poster on the second forum who was a liberal was actually disgusted that some liberal friends on Facebook were rejoicing over this because they hate the Duggars.

These people say they just care about the girls...all while bashing their family by calling them a cult, creepy, weird, etc. and then proudly calling for the show to be cancelled...what they've wanted for years but didn't have a valid reason to do so. This isn't primarily about the girls to them, and Jessa said so last night on Megyn Kelly. This is about taking this family down all the while trying to be sympathetic. Does this journalist care what he put those girls through? They say they feel worse now than when it happened? No. He's proud of himself, and he is still digging.

My final point is that people say the Duggars are getting more heat because they held themselves up as “moral arbitrators,” and therefore, they are hypocrites. Isn’t this always the spiel with the liberals regarding conservatives? If a conservative has sinned or has a bad past, does that mean that he/she can’t speak out for conservative, Christian issues today? Josh, by all accounts so far, has turned his life around, so it’s not as if he is saying one thing and doing another. If he was still doing it or it was done as an adult and covered up, I would agree with them. Do they ever so severely call out their own who act as “moral arbitrators” for the modern, secular humanist agenda that rules today’s society?

[mountn man]

Are you a Christian?

What does this have to do with the discussion at hand???

[Albion Wilde]

Two wrongs don’t make a right. I don’t care what happend to Mama BooBoo, that does not give anyone the justification to harass the duggar girls.

[RginTN]

Yes josh Duggar shouldn't have harassed 4...5 of his sisters.

[mountn man]

that does not give anyone the justification to harass the duggar girls.

They are just collateral damage.

For the liberals and many here at FR, it's about their hatred of the Duggars, for whatever reasons, and destroying them.

For others, they have a sense of self righteousness to destroy Josh, for his sins. The girls just get in the way.

Funny...the girls who were accosted have forgiven him, but those not involved are their to make sure he is burned at the stake.
If the girls get burnt as well, in the process...oops...oh well.

But hey...its really about protecting the girls.

[TXDeb]

You keep posting that Josh was not invited to his sisters’ weddings but if you check the pictures at the links below, you will see that he and Anna were a part of the celebrations.

There was some concern that Josh might not make it back from a business meeting in time for Jessa’s wedding, but he was definitely invited and he did make it in time.

In fact, Josh was asked by the couples to design the invitations for each of their weddings since Josh is skilled at graphic design.

I watched the weddings of all three Duggar siblings - Josh, Jill and Jessa.

From Jill’s Wedding:
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-style/news/jill-duggar-wedding-photos-see-her-dress-husband-derick-dillard-20142410

From Jessa’s Wedding ( a picture of the married Duggar couples):
http://www.people.com/people/gallery/0,,20866864_30259559,00.html#30259559

[wardaddy]

You win the hug for first to answer what you would have done

Is anyone now here saying they would have insisted the police charge him and have his sisters testify against him and lock him away hopefully as an adult

Some posters here hint at that

I don’t see many families doing that given these circumstances as we know them now

If more damaging facts emerge then that becomes more of a possibility

My own thought was kind of like yours

Culver or St. Andrews or McCalley or Christ King

Boarding school

Get him away and counseling

If the depth of the molestation is what is disclosed or if what really happened is much worse then that would impact my views obviously

The two girls Megyn interviewed did not appear to be lying but there were others

[wardaddy]

I agree moving him from the house to boarding school seemed prudent and dad could afford the 35-50k

[wardaddy]

Before I lecture anyone I have a confession to make

On threads where some here call my southern ancestors nazis and that they should have all been hanged I get pretty indignant

That’s an understatement....I’m infamous for it

So....like the Duggars I’m lecturing from a glass house

There have always been groups here of posters....a coed group but mostly older girls and single men who clique together and get pretty tossed up over topics and can on occasion brook no dissent and if one dissents then one can be labeled as condoning or part of the problem being fleshed out

This is the nature of Internet forums where folks can be more rude than they would be face to face

We’ve done this over:

Trixie

George Bush in 2000

Terry Schiavo....bless her heart

Amnesty...yes hard to believe isn’t it

Katrina

Primaries in 2008 and 2012 and the wideawakes exodus

And now the Duggars....the Waco bike massacree too

And lots of minor skirmishes over prurient stuff like porn and abuse....about anything that can be traced to males being bad

Like I said....I’m no saint

I have enemies here myself to the point I dare not disclose my oldest boy’s moniker here

You come here for info and friends and you ignore when you disagree with friends

There’s plenty of action to go around....like Vegas for arguing

[wardaddy]

I’m not the only person questioning aspects of all this

Sarah Palin foremost

Mike Huckabee

Sean Hannity

Rush Limbaugh

Mark Levin

Megyn Kelly

Decent company

Meanwhile look at those savaging the whole Duggar clan starting with the homosexual activist who brought them down as he brags now on Gawker

And including some GenX social lib libertarians like Greg Gutfeld

Some of these people are just too vile

The interview with the girls changed me and my wife

It made us question our first instincts..of which my wife’s is usually keen

She says their biggest sin or flaw besides oddness is naivete

[Pinkbell]

I heard those stats on Megyn Kelly. I actually found them shocking in a good way as I would have never thought the number who don’t reooffend would be so high. This won’t matter to those who are out for blood, though. I’ve seen posters here who say his daughters should be taken away.

[Pinkbell]

They did say in the interview or I heard Jim Bob say there were a couple incidents that were under the clothes or when they were awake.

[Pinkbell]

When the law was involved in 2006, they seemed to find no indication he was still molesting. Otherwise, he would have been hauled off to prison.

[Pinkbell]

See, when you refer to the family as a “cult” family who you would like out of the public eye, I feel like your motivation is that what the liberals is. You don’t like their “brand” of Christianity.

[Pinkbell]

Wow. What’s the point in continuing to carry on debate if your standards are higher than Christ’s standards.

[Pinkbell]

If it’s proven the molestations didn’t stop when he was a teen, I will eat my words, but so far, there is no indication of that.

[jimbo807]

“Are you a Christian?

What does this have to do with the discussion at hand???”

A lot actually.

[jimbo807]

We will see. Interesting that Josh is not talking though. But if he does sit down and gets questions he might contradict something he said before, so I get it.

[gdani]

On what legal authority a judge orders records relating to juvenile offenses destroyed? Are you serious?

Yes. The judge had no jurisdiction. The situation never made it to court. No court = no jurisdiction.

It sounds like routine law in Juvenile proceedings to me.

Once again, the case never made it to court. So, there were no "proceedings".

[Obadiah]

Yup.

[gdani]

JUVENILE records ARE NOT covered under FOIA

First, FOIA is a federal law not applicable to states.

Second, the release was entirely legal under Arkansas state law.