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Boy Scouts’ President Calls for End to Ban on Gay Leaders
New York Times ^ | May 21, 2015 | ERIK ECKHOLM

Posted on 05/21/2015 10:42:22 AM PDT by reaganaut1

The president of the Boy Scouts of America on Thursday called for an end to the group’s blanket ban on gay adult leaders, warning Scout executives that “we must deal with the world as it is, not as we might wish it to be,” and that “any other alternative will be the end of us as a national movement.”

At the same time, religious organizations that sponsor a majority of local Scout troops, including the Mormons and Roman Catholics, should remain free to set their own policies for leaders, said the president, Robert M. Gates, the former director of the C.I.A. and the former secretary of defense.

Mr. Gates called for the changes at an annual national meeting of the group, in Atlanta. He said that he was not yet making a formal proposal but that the Scouts’ governing body should take up the issue formally at a future meeting.

The treatment of gay men and boys has been a source of wrenching debate over the last decade. Conservative religious groups that sponsor many Scout troops, including the Mormon Church and the Roman Catholic Church, have opposed the participation of openly gay members while local leaders in more liberal areas have called for an end to the ban.

In 2013, Boy Scout leaders from across the country voted, with more than 60 percent approval, to say that no youth may be denied membership “on the basis of sexual orientation or preference alone.” But it left intact the policy that no openly gay adults could serve in the organization.

Since then, a Scout group in New York has defied that policy by employing an openly gay leader, and several other groups around the country have expressed opposition to the ban.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: boyscouts; bsa; deathofthewest; foxinthehenhouse; homosexualagenda; homosexuals; pedophilia; robertgates; scouting
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To: reaganaut1
This should be lesson number one for all of us.

When Obama had his friend stir up the gay issue at Boy Scouts, the government's idea held sway and now all the people who do not agree with the gay adult leaders will be marginalized.

Hence, the destruction of the Boy Scouts.

What has happened to the Scouts is what will happen to all churches if the Supreme Court votes in favor of gay marriage.

The government will hold the gay card to some regard in all churches. Some sort of punishment will be thought up for all the pastors and priests who refuse to marry the gays.

That means no more freedom of religion, because if the government can decide that a pastor will marry the gays, what else do you think a government can force a pastor to do?

Obama loves abortion does anyone think, if he could get away with it, that he just might try to force pastors to become accomplices in his design of death. He already is working to force churches to pay for abortions.

It has all been so sneaky. All Obama had to do was to find that one back of the knee he could hit at just the right moment.

But God will not be mocked.

21 posted on 05/21/2015 11:00:15 AM PDT by Slyfox (If I'm ever accused of being a Christian, I'd like there to be enough evidence to convict me)
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To: reaganaut1

Is there an organization Gates hasn’t irreparably harmed left?


22 posted on 05/21/2015 11:00:18 AM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (Peace On Earth! Purity of Essence! McCain/Ripper 2016)
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To: GeronL

BTTT...I was and am of the same opinion WRT Gates.


23 posted on 05/21/2015 11:01:59 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: reaganaut1

Of course this was coming. This was always coming. One more formerly great American institution gone to hell.


24 posted on 05/21/2015 11:02:15 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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To: reaganaut1

Some constituents have more influence in politics, business and academia than other constituents. As the economic situation continues to change, the influence gap is widening. The more influential constituents, for the most part, are not socially conservative.


25 posted on 05/21/2015 11:03:39 AM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: fredhead

Oh my goodness! What a horrible thing to have gone through. I am so sorry you had to deal with that for so many years.

Too bad for this country, all that it is going through right now.


26 posted on 05/21/2015 11:03:47 AM PDT by LovedSinner
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To: GeronL

Yep


27 posted on 05/21/2015 11:03:52 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) (GOPe is that easy to read))
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To: reaganaut1

My thoughts, first, the sexual revolution of the 60’s gave birth to a culture that embraced the idea that sexual intercourse was first and foremost for pleasure with pregnancy a consequence to be mostly avoided...once it became acceptable to have sex outside of marriage, all pleasurable perversions became acceptable.

Second, Western culture has lost its sense of sin. The numbers of people in Western society who attend church service regularly is abysmally small. Ask people to name and explain the 10 commandments and you would be horrified. In it’s place we have moral relativism which makes everything acceptable depending on your point of view.

Finally, there is always a sense of pleasure in the taboo... as everything sexual becomes acceptable it requires a greater depravity to achieve the thrill associated with sexual deviancy and our downward, evil death wish continues.


28 posted on 05/21/2015 11:04:39 AM PDT by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: reaganaut1

What could possibly go wrong?


29 posted on 05/21/2015 11:06:03 AM PDT by FrdmLvr ("WE ARE ALL OSAMA, 0BAMA!" al-Qaeda terrorists who breached the American compound in Benghazi)
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To: reaganaut1

The other shoe drops.


30 posted on 05/21/2015 11:06:22 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: reaganaut1

They need to put an end to this blanket ban on pedophiles as well! Bring back all those leaders who molested children who have completed their jail sentences (and absolutely restore all those who never served a moment in jail but were accused (and the Boy Scouts paid out settlements for) of such crimes..), and end this national nightmare of keeping boys from properly learning the Boy Scout experience! Least that’s the only thing the 2% minority will accept.

I can’t believe how much impact the 2% have on the organization. End ALL corporate Boy Scouts offices, end any full time Council positions. Close all offices, revoke any retirement benefits, etc. The only things that should be left should be scout huts run by local troops and camps which are paid for by confederations of troops. END the entire money train from corporate America into the Boy Scouts where they can continue to withhold funds to ‘pressure for change.’

Because the national council is selling the Boy Scouts piece by piece to the 2%, and that is a national crime.


31 posted on 05/21/2015 11:09:07 AM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: reaganaut1
How did an unhealthy lifestyle attain such political dominance? I don't get it.

That's actually a great question. I've thought a lot about it myself. Does every stable/rich society inevitably plant the seeds of its own corruption and destruction? Is it some kind of large natural cycle for humanity?

I DO know, this whole gay thing is a fad. Other societies in history have gone through the same. It will pass when present conditions change. But doesn't mean things will be better either.

32 posted on 05/21/2015 11:09:44 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: reaganaut1
BSA alternative: Trail Life USA
33 posted on 05/21/2015 11:10:38 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne (The night is far spent, the day is at hand.- Romans 13:12)
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To: PGR88

Gays got control of the media, that’s how.


34 posted on 05/21/2015 11:10:52 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Slyfox
When Obama had his friend stir up the gay issue at Boy Scouts, the government's idea held sway and now all the people who do not agree with the gay adult leaders will be marginalized.

The Scouts brought this upon themselves also. As an organization, they became too big and fat. When they sold themselves for corporate donations, they sold their independence. they put the leash around their own neck.

35 posted on 05/21/2015 11:13:05 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: Bubba_Leroy

“And no, I am not suggesting that all homosexuals are pedophiles,...”

That’s a common and disingenuous argument. People will tell you that pedophiles prey on children of both ages and don’t typically have a functional adult sexual orientation, homosexual of otherwise. This is true, because pedophilia is defines as an inappropriate attraction to PREPUBESCENT children. Look at the age group involved in Boy Scouts and tell me what’s wrong with that argument. That’s right, the average US Boy goes through puberty around 10 years old. So discussions of real pedophiles are irrelevant to most of the BSA program. Now think about how old are gay prostitutes typically, how old was the boy Harvey Milk was involved with? Yes, exactly Boy Scout age. The pedophilia argument is a straw man, gay men are typically attracted to teen boys. If I tried to make a group that involved middle aged men taking a bunch of 16 year old girls out in the woods, would anyone think that was OK?


36 posted on 05/21/2015 11:14:52 AM PDT by thorvaldr
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To: reaganaut1

Ask the clown:

“Why is it so important to you to set up our sons for molestation and recruitment?”


37 posted on 05/21/2015 11:14:56 AM PDT by G Larry (Obama Hates America, Israel, Capitalism, Freedom, and Christianity.)
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To: reaganaut1
“we must deal with the world as it is, not as we might wish it to be,”

Translated: "There are many thousands of lustful pedophiles out there, and we must welcome them in and give them unfettered access to these young boys."

38 posted on 05/21/2015 11:16:22 AM PDT by ScottinVA (The election of Obama was a hate crime.)
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To: reaganaut1
Maybe this will help with understanding. Many of the parents of children in the Boy Scouts, schools and other institutions are among administrators in the following and contributors to it (for example, campaign funds). Spoiled, pampered people are more susceptible to unnatural tendencies. Along the way, it's like a collective organism that has become infected by the voice$ (influence) piped into it.

Heavy Hitters: Top All-Time Donors, 1989-2014
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php
American Fedn of State, County & Municipal Employees $60,949,129 [Democrat] 81% [Republican] 1%”

Leviathan (Uncle Sam employs more people than you think)
National Review ^ | 02/03/2011 | Iain Murray
"...nearly 40 million Americans employed in some way by government."


America’s Ruling Class — And the Perils of Revolution
http://spectator.org/articles/39326/americas-ruling-class-and-perils-revolution

The Fragmenting of the New Class Elites, or, Downward Mobility
http://volokh.com/2011/10/31/the-fragmenting-of-the-new-class-elites-or-downward-mobility/

Environmentalism and the Leisure Class
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2835601/posts

The New Upper Class and the Real Reason We Dislike Them
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2843575/posts

Are you a member of the political class?
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/08/are_you_a_member_of_the_politi.html

Downton’s Class System — and Ours: We have a ruling class that despises the free market and does...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3024119/posts


Turn off the televisions for a year or two, and you'll see that conservatism no longer exists in influences behind any side in politics. You'll learn that mind-wise, many people have been separated from physical realities in many ways.


39 posted on 05/21/2015 11:17:28 AM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: reaganaut1
I have a son in Cub Scouts and don't agree with Gates.

I hope for your son's sake you're very closely involved with his Pack activities.

40 posted on 05/21/2015 11:18:06 AM PDT by ScottinVA (The election of Obama was a hate crime.)
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